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rhody said:
I just ran the AT&T speed test on this desktop - 4.7 Mbps for downloads and .41 Mbps for uploads.
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Discussion Overview
The discussion centers around the implications of net neutrality rules set by the FCC, focusing on their potential impact on internet service providers (ISPs) and consumers. Participants explore various viewpoints regarding the balance between regulation and market freedom, the role of the FCC, and the consequences for internet users, particularly in rural areas.
Discussion Character
- Debate/contested
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Main Points Raised
- Some participants express concern that net neutrality rules may lead to increased regulation and restrict internet use, viewing it as a potential "foot in the door" for more restrictive legislation.
- Others argue that the FCC's involvement is necessary to prevent ISPs from blocking or discriminating against competing content, especially in areas with limited ISP options.
- There is a belief among some that consumers should have the freedom to choose ISPs based on their service offerings, including bandwidth limits and fees for heavy usage.
- Participants highlight the challenges faced by rural users who may have only one ISP option, questioning the applicability of free market principles in such cases.
- Some express skepticism about whether the FCC has the necessary insight to manage bandwidth issues compared to ISPs themselves.
- Concerns are raised that net neutrality rules may inadvertently harm personal consumers by prioritizing competitors over individual user needs.
Areas of Agreement / Disagreement
Participants do not reach a consensus; multiple competing views remain regarding the necessity and implications of net neutrality rules, as well as the role of the FCC in regulating ISPs.
Contextual Notes
Some participants note that the existing regulatory framework for phone companies may not adequately apply to ISPs, leading to confusion about the necessity of net neutrality legislation.
I just ran the AT&T speed test on this desktop - 4.7 Mbps for downloads and .41 Mbps for uploads.
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rhody
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WhoWee said:
I ran speak easy last night from San Fran 29.3 Mb download and 5.7 Mb upload.
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Turbo,
The only way your access to the speeds that some of us enjoy is if your sparsely populated area suddenly were to grow to "cable customer access threshold limit exceeded dimensions". Say Caterpillar or other major manufacturer were to set up shop in your area. The explosion in the local population may be enough to convince the Cable providers to upgrade their service and as a direct result, you would benefit.
BTW. Is your ISP limiting your access now via DSL, what I am asking is what upload/download speeds are they providing, versus what they could be providing if they choose to do so ?
Rhody...
The only way your access to the speeds that some of us enjoy is if your sparsely populated area suddenly were to grow to "cable customer access threshold limit exceeded dimensions". Say Caterpillar or other major manufacturer were to set up shop in your area. The explosion in the local population may be enough to convince the Cable providers to upgrade their service and as a direct result, you would benefit.
BTW. Is your ISP limiting your access now via DSL, what I am asking is what upload/download speeds are they providing, versus what they could be providing if they choose to do so ?
Rhody...
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turbo
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Yes. I pay for 5Mbps and generally get only 3Mbps. TDS sells bandwidth that they cannot deliver, and throttles the customers to keep its traffic down. It's a cynical, unethical way to do business, but then the telecom industry is not known to be really concerned with ethics.rhody said:BTW. Is your ISP limiting your access now via DSL, what I am asking is what upload/download speeds are they providing, versus what they could be providing if they choose to do so ?
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turbo said:
As silly as this sounds, if they changed their offer to the 3Mbps would that satisfy you ? I doubt it. Second, based on their technology, what is the best speed that could be achieved to their customer base ? Do noisy ancient phone lines contribute to the problem ? I imagine that they would.
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They're probabaly oversubscribed since they're the only provider.rhody said:
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I live only a mile from the switch, and the copper pair comes up shining every time. The problem is not on my end. TDS http://www.tdstelecom.com/?eid=276&gclid=COeD3tz-1qsCFULe4AodLwT0TA sells more bandwidth than they can provide and throttles customers. This is not about net neutrality in the sense that an ISP throttles access to certain providers. My complaint is about dishonest ISPs that promise more bandwidth than they can possibly deliver and then throttle their clients to reduce their costs. If you are promising 5Mbsp to X customers, then you should be willing to pay for 5Mbps times X customers worth of traffic across the Internet's backbone. If not, you are cheating all the customers. Please watch "The Producers" to see how creeps use over-selling to enrich themselves.rhody said:
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DoggerDan
rhody said:
16.91 / 4.53 for me using Speakeasy.net, but that was from the nearest server (Dallas). From San Fran I get 16.91 / 4.53, which I really find spooky that it's exactly the same, unless they're fudging the test!
It's 16.2 / 4.1 using Speedtest.net.
turbo said:
I thought that was happening with me when I moved here from Florida over the summer, but I discovered when I connect my computer directly to their DSL modem, I get 38 Mbps. The problem has something to do with my wireless router. Even connecting via a hardline with my router, I get the same problem, so it's not my wireless (I have G).
Of course I don't feel comfortable connecting directly to the Internet, so I accept the loss. For now.
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Their dsl modem? What do you mean?DoggerDan said:
What do you mean "connect directly to the internet"?
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DoggerDan
Evo said:
My ISP's DSL modem. They own it. I rent it.
As in the most direct route available, bypassing my wireless access point. I'm sure it goes through a few more connections handled by my ISP
Edit: ooops, I accidently edited your post, so sorry.
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Evo
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ISP's don't have modems for dsl. You pay for shared connectivity to their service, along with all the rest of their customers.DoggerDan said:
If you're using a wireless router at home, your connection still leaves your house via the phone line, same as if you just used your regular dsl modem/router. I've heard of people having issues with their wireless routers degrading service, but that's just at your house. You're still directly connecting to your ISP.
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DoggerDan
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Yes they do. Here's the type of DSL modem I'm renting from my ISP: http://www.actiontec.com/products/product.php?pid=200
I don't use it's wireless feature as I don't trust its security, as per the recommendation of the installer, whose been working for my ISP for eighteen years.
That's how a DSL modem works.
No, I'm not. I'm connecting through my wireless router. My laptop is connected to my wireless router. The router is directly connected to my ISP's DSL modem. With my router in place, I get less than 20 Mbps. When I remove it, connecting my laptop directly to my ISP's DSL modem, the throughput jumps to more than 37 Mbps.