Net Neutrality wins minor battle in long war

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The discussion centers around net neutrality, particularly in the context of recent actions by the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) against Comcast for allegedly blocking peer-to-peer traffic. Participants explore various opinions on how net neutrality should be protected or not protected, touching on issues of bandwidth usage, ISP practices, and consumer rights.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express concerns about ISPs blocking certain types of traffic, such as BitTorrent, arguing that this violates principles of net neutrality.
  • Others suggest that users who consume excessive bandwidth should pay extra, indicating a belief that fair use should be enforced by ISPs.
  • A participant notes that Comcast's actions may not be unreasonable, questioning the extent of the impact on users and suggesting that not all customers were affected.
  • There are claims that BitTorrent is a significant portion of internet traffic, and blocking it could reduce overall bandwidth availability for consumers.
  • Some argue that the real issue is not a lack of bandwidth but rather the costs associated with providing it, highlighting the role of ISPs and backbone providers in this dynamic.
  • Participants discuss the implications of monopolistic practices by local ISPs and the challenges faced by consumers in accessing competitive services.
  • There is a mention of bandwidth caps in other regions, suggesting different regulatory approaches to managing internet traffic.
  • Some participants emphasize the legal uses of BitTorrent and argue against blanket blocking of the protocol, advocating for net neutrality protections.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views on net neutrality, with no clear consensus. While some support strict protections against blocking traffic, others advocate for a more flexible approach that allows ISPs to manage bandwidth usage. The discussion remains unresolved with competing perspectives on the implications of net neutrality and ISP practices.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved assumptions regarding the definitions of fair use and the specifics of ISP traffic management practices. The discussion also reflects varying levels of understanding about the technical aspects of bandwidth and internet protocols.

Who May Find This Useful

Individuals interested in internet policy, telecommunications, consumer rights, and the technical aspects of internet traffic management may find this discussion relevant.

  • #31
humanino said:
This is part of the shift cell provided us with. It is not only the fact that text message allows you to keep useful information (such as an address) most easily. It is also the fact that one has greater flexibility. One has to remember before cell phones, we had to make plans in advance, such as "let's meet at 4pm tomorrow". It does not make sense anymore today. Now it's "I'll text you when I get off work". If the other person is busy at the this moment, he'll answer as soon as he will be ready to answer. Which might be 30s if you tried to call him while in the restroom :smile: Or while having an argument with his mother :rolleyes:
I can understand a single text message with 'useful information', e.g. an address, or date/time for rendezvous, i.e. something of which one would like to keep a record. But a text conversation?

I suppose texting (on a cell phone) is just another version of chat (on a computer).
 
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  • #32
We're becoming obsolete Astronuc. We belong to the cave days when people actually spoke to each other and used "voice' as a means of communication. :biggrin:
 
  • #33
Evo said:
We're becoming obsolete Astronuc. We belong to the cave days when people actually spoke to each other and used "voice' as a means of communication. :biggrin:
I'm definitely out of step with the modern world, or perhaps it's the modern culture. I'd much rather hear the other's voice.

The again - before the telephone - people would have to write letters. We still write by email, in this case, on forums.

Nevertheless, I do prefer verbal conversation, especially when the other person has a pleasant voice. :approve:
 
  • #34
Astronuc said:
I'm definitely out of step with the modern world, or perhaps it's the modern culture. I'd much rather hear the other's voice.

The again - before the telephone - people would have to write letters. We still write by email, in this case, on forums.

Nevertheless, I do prefer verbal conversation, especially when the other person has a pleasant voice. :approve:

I hate speaking with people on the telephone. I would rather text message someone than speak on the phone with them, but I would much rather speak with them face to face, rather than texting them.
 
  • #35
NeoDevin said:
I hate speaking with people on the telephone. I would rather text message someone than speak on the phone with them, but I would much rather speak with them face to face, rather than texting them.
I agree with the face-to-face, but most of my oldest friends live far away (several hundred miles to several thousand miles), so I must be satisfied to talk by phone rather than do face-to-face.
 
  • #36
Astronuc said:
I'm definitely out of step with the modern world, or perhaps it's the modern culture. I'd much rather hear the other's voice.

The again - before the telephone - people would have to write letters. We still write by email, in this case, on forums.

Nevertheless, I do prefer verbal conversation, especially when the other person has a pleasant voice. :approve:

I think you have it all wrong Astro.

Texting is essentially enabling us to get a hold of each other whenever we want, and allowing us to get together consistently.

In the past, if you had plans to hang out on the weekend and couldn't get a hold of the person on the weekend because the phones busy or whatever reason, than you never get to hear that person's voice since you never got to hang out.
 
  • #37
Evo said:
people actually spoke to each other and used "voice' as a means of communication.
This is a myth. There never was such a thing :rolleyes:
Last time I used it was friday morning[/size]
 
  • #38
Astronuc said:
I agree with the face-to-face, but most of my oldest friends live far away (several hundred miles to several thousand miles), so I must be satisfied to talk by phone rather than do face-to-face.

But with the wonders of modern technology, you can now do video chats online, and, even better, it doesn't cost anything on top of your current internet service. It's still better than talking on the phone because at least I can see the person I'm talking with. My parents are in Vietnam, and we use online video conferencing to talk, rather than telephones.
 
  • #39
Off-topic, sorry.

OrbitalPower said:
(I'm a registered Green).
But will you be voting Green? They've announced their nominee, as I'm sure you know by now: it's Cynthia McKinney! :ugh:
 
  • #40
Gokul43201 said:
Off-topic, sorry.

But will you be voting Green? They've announced their nominee, as I'm sure you know by now: it's Cynthia McKinney! :ugh:

I probably will. Generally, I don't vote for major party candidates. Plus, I live in a state that is "safe Republican" and is guaranteed to go for McCain, so I generally don't have the "will my vote lead to an even greater evil?" issue as other would-be third party voters. I don't know much about McKinney, with the exception of her police officer incident, but from what I've read on the GP website it seems she's close enough to the Green's core key values.

I do think they could have gone with a less controversial candidate, but really Obama seems to me to be more of the same esp. after his recent backtracking on numerous issues.

My other option would be to consider the "Libertarian" candidate, although Barr has a track record far less Libertarian than McKinney is Green, plus, I have major philosophical differences with the libertarians, esp in regards to the issue of corporate regulation like in this thread.
 
  • #41
With as much money as Comcast makes why don't they start installing Gigabit lines like China has...?
 

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