Net Torque: Determine Magnitude from Ladder Base

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The problem involves calculating the net torque about the base of a ladder mounted on a fire truck, considering the ladder's mass, the mass of a basket, and a firefighter at the top. The ladder is positioned at a specific angle with the horizontal.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the calculation of torque using the center of mass for the ladder and the additional mass at the top. There is uncertainty about whether to use sine or cosine in the torque calculations based on the angle of the ladder.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided calculations for the torques involved, while others are questioning the use of sine in the context of the angle. The discussion reflects varying interpretations of the torque calculation process.

Contextual Notes

Participants are navigating the complexities of torque calculations, including the placement of the center of mass and the effects of the angle of the ladder on the calculations. There is an ongoing exploration of the assumptions related to the forces acting on the system.

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Homework Statement



A 17m long ladder is mounted on a fire truck. The ladder itself has mass 130kg , and at the top is a 37kg basket holding a 83kg firefighter.

If the ladder makes a 60∘ angle with the horizontal, what's the magnitude of the net torque about the ladder's base?

Homework Equations



I think center of mass (X1M1+X2M2+X3M3)/(m1+m2+m3)
Torue=rFsinθ

The Attempt at a Solution



I get a huge number when i try it out. But since is is asking about the ladders base, would it the sine change to cosine?

I take the torque from the mass at the end and the torque of the ladder to get the net torque. Kind of stuck.
 
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Never mind "center of mass of all the forces."

You have the center of mass of 130 kg of the ladder at 8.5m from the pivot axis. You have 120 kg of mass at 17m from the pivot point. You have a 60 deg. angle with the horizontal.

Compute the torques due to the ladder mass and the basket cum firefighter.
 
Ok then so it is just

Tnet=(8.5)(9.8)(130)Sin(60)+(17)(9.8)(120)Sin(60)
 

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