Neutrino Flavor vs. Mass Eigenstate: Explaining the Difference

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the distinction between neutrino flavor states and neutrino mass eigenstates, exploring their definitions, roles in interactions, and implications for neutrino oscillation. Participants delve into theoretical aspects, seeking clarification on the concepts and their applications in particle physics.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express confusion about the meanings of flavor states and mass eigenstates, noting that flavor states are associated with interactions while mass eigenstates relate to time evolution.
  • One participant suggests that flavor eigenstates are unphysical and lack definite mass, whereas mass eigenstates are physical and possess definite mass.
  • Another participant explains that mass states remain diagonal under the free Hamiltonian, while flavor states are superpositions that interact with charged leptons.
  • There is a discussion about the coherence of neutrino mass states over large distances due to small mass differences, leading to phase differences that affect flavor changes.
  • Questions arise regarding which states (flavor or mass eigenstates) have charged current interactions, with some arguing that flavor states are more appropriate for these interactions.
  • One participant proposes the idea of combining mass and flavor eigenstates to construct an eigenstate for the entire Hamiltonian, indicating a desire to understand the relationship between these concepts more deeply.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the definitions and implications of flavor states versus mass eigenstates, with multiple competing views and ongoing questions about their interactions and theoretical frameworks.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty regarding the exact mechanisms of neutrino oscillation and the role of external fields, indicating that some assumptions and definitions may be missing or unclear.

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can anybody explain what is the difference between neutrino flavour state and neutrino mass eigenstate?getting confuse on it again...
 
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It is aslo hard for me to understand their exact meanings. "flavor" eigenstates label their roles participating in various interactions. For example, W bosons couple electron with electron neutrinos, not muon neutrinos. And "mass" eigenstates determine their evolution with time. But still, it is very abstract. For example, a free electron neutrino will oscillate into muon neutrino or tauon neutrino or itself with time. But I can't find how it oscillates. I think there should be some external field, which combines with these "free" neutrino, forming a "Energy" eigenstate. But it is also a profound problem.
 
hmmm...flavor state is unphysical field i.e. no definite mass
mass eigenstate is physical field i.e. with definite mass
do the wave function or spinor contain any information of their mass to distinguish them?
 
The mass state are the actual physical neutrino states which remain diagonal under evolution by the free Hamiltonian. The flavor states are the superpositions of mass states which have charged current interactions with the respective charged leptons.

Because neutrinos interact so weakly and have such small mass differences, a superposition of neutrino mass states can retain quantum coherence over astrophysics (and even, possibly cosmological) distances. However, the small differences in mass mean that the free evolution of the different mass states will lead to energy and distance dependent phase differences between the eigenstates, changing both the overall phase and relative phases of the coefficients in the superposition. This, then, is how neutrino "flavors" change.
 
Parlyne said:
The mass state are the actual physical neutrino states which remain diagonal under evolution by the free Hamiltonian. The flavor states are the superpositions of mass states which have charged current interactions with the respective charged leptons.

Because neutrinos interact so weakly and have such small mass differences, a superposition of neutrino mass states can retain quantum coherence over astrophysics (and even, possibly cosmological) distances. However, the small differences in mass mean that the free evolution of the different mass states will lead to energy and distance dependent phase differences between the eigenstates, changing both the overall phase and relative phases of the coefficients in the superposition. This, then, is how neutrino "flavors" change.

“... The flavor states are the superpositions of mass states which have charged current interactions with the respective charged leptons. ..."

Here I have a question. Which states have charged current interactions, flavor eigenstates or mass eigenstates? If we use the former one, it is OK. But if we use the latter one, we have to multiply by $U_{\alpha i}$ 's at each vertex, which is like dealing with quarks using CKM matrix. (Sorry, I don't know how to insert mathematical symbols here!)
 
Xia Ligang said:
“... The flavor states are the superpositions of mass states which have charged current interactions with the respective charged leptons. ..."

Here I have a question. Which states have charged current interactions, flavor eigenstates or mass eigenstates? If we use the former one, it is OK. But if we use the latter one, we have to multiply by $U_{\alpha i}$ 's at each vertex, which is like dealing with quarks using CKM matrix. (Sorry, I don't know how to insert mathematical symbols here!)

The flavor states have diagonal charged current interactions with their respective charged leptons. However, it would be more physical to use the mass states and a mixing matrix element (in analogy to the quarks).
 
Parlyne said:
The flavor states have diagonal charged current interactions with their respective charged leptons. However, it would be more physical to use the mass states and a mixing matrix element (in analogy to the quarks).

Mass eigenstates correpond to diagonal elements in "free" Hamiltonians, while flavor eigenstates to diagonal elements in the "interaction" part. Could we combine mass eigenstate and flavor eigenstates to construct an eigenstates for the "whole" Hamiltonian? Maybe I go back to the beginning.
 

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