Neutrino pair creation in electron positron scattering

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The discussion centers on comparing two reactions involving electron-positron scattering: Bhabha scattering and neutrino-antineutrino pair creation via virtual W- and Z-boson exchange. Participants explore theoretical aspects, including matrix elements, cross sections, and decay widths, particularly at low energies.

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  • One participant outlines the two processes and notes that Bhabha scattering diverges due to the Coulomb force, leading to a forward singularity in the cross section.
  • Another participant suggests a ballpark approach to comparing the processes by substituting parameters related to the W-boson mass and coupling constants.
  • A later reply emphasizes the need for a precise answer rather than an approximation.
  • One participant references a paper on positronium decays, discussing the decay channels and providing decay widths for both processes, highlighting the suppression of neutrino-antineutrino pair creation due to the W-boson mass.
  • There is mention of a discrepancy in calculated branching ratios, with one participant noting their result differs by an order of magnitude from the referenced paper.

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Participants express differing views on the approach to take for comparing the processes, with some favoring approximations while others seek precise calculations. There is no consensus on the best method for comparison or the accuracy of the calculations presented.

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Participants acknowledge limitations in the literature regarding low-energy matrix elements and experimental results in the MeV range, which may affect the comparison of the two processes.

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tom.stoer
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Hello,

does anybody know how to compare (at tree level) the two reactions

e^- + e^+ \to \gamma^\ast \to e^- + e^+

and

e^- + e^+ \to Z^\ast \to \nu + \bar{\nu} \;\;\; \text{and} \;\;\; e^- + e^+ \to W^\ast \to \nu_e + \bar{\nu}_e

The first process is the so-called Bhabha scattering whereas the second one is the neutrino-antineutrino pair creation from virtual W- and Z exchange.

In order to compare similar processes one should restrict to electron neutrinos in the final state of the Z boson; then both processes are rather similar in terms of their Feynman diagrams; the only difference is that in Bhabha scattering the exchanged particle (in both s- and t-channel) is a photon whereas in the second process the s-channel contribution comes from the Z, the t-channel contribution from the W, respectively.

My problems are the following:
1) the total cross section for Bhabha scattering diverges due to the long range Coulomb force; it has the well-known forward singularity

\frac{d\sigma_{e^-e^+ \to e^-e^+}}{d\Omega} \sim \frac{1}{\sin^4 \frac{\theta}{2}}

so one can't compare cross-sections directly

2) for the latter process I can't find any low-energy matrix element; in the literature only the high-energy regime is described.

Does anybody know
- how to compare the matrix elements, cross sections or the branching ratio for the two processes?
- whether there is a different possibility to compare photon- and W-/Z-boson-exchange at low energies?
- whether there are experimental results down to the MeV range?
 
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Do you want a ballpark answer or does it have to be right?

To ballpark it replace every 1/q2 with a 1/Mw2 and every alpha with an alpha_w.
 
Vanadium 50 said:
Do you want a ballpark answer or does it have to be right?
The latter one :-)

Vanadium 50 said:
To ballpark it replace every 1/q2 with a 1/Mw2 and every alpha with an alpha_w.
I agree; far away from MZ and MW this is the 4-fermion interaction.
 
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I checked arxiv for positronium decays (because for low energy this is the relevant system). One ref. is

http://arxiv.org/abs/hep-ph/9911410v1
Decays of Positronium
Andrzej Czarnecki, Savely G. Karshenboim
(Submitted on 19 Nov 1999)
Abstract: We briefly review the theoretical and experimental results concerning decays of positronium. Possible solutions of the "orthopositronium lifetime puzzle" are discussed. Positronium annihilation into neutrinos is examined and disagreement is found with previously published results.

The reference system is the para-positronium with dominant decay channel

(e^-+e^-)_{S=0} \to 2\gamma

and neutrino-antineutrino pair creation

(e^-+e^-)_{S=0} \to \nu_e + \bar{\nu}_e

The decay widths are

\Gamma_{e^-e^- \to 2\gamma} = \frac{\alpha^5m_e}{2}

and

\Gamma_{e^-e^- \to \nu_e\bar{\nu}_e} = \frac{G_F^2\alpha^3m_e^5}{24\pi^2}(1+4\sin^2\theta_W)^2

Replacing the Fermi constant G_F via the W-boson mass M_W, Weinberg angle \sin^2\theta_W \simeq 0.23 and \alpha one finds the branchung ratio

\frac{\Gamma_{e^-e^- \to \nu_e\bar{\nu}_e}}{\Gamma_{e^-e^- \to 2\gamma}} = \frac{f_W}{24}\left(\frac{m_e}{M_W}\right)^4

with

f_W = \frac{(1+4\sin^2\theta_W)^2}{\sin^4\theta_W}

The result

\frac{\Gamma_{e^-e^- \to \nu_e\bar{\nu}_e}}{\Gamma_{e^-e^- \to 2\gamma}} = 6.2 \cdot 10^{-18}

shows the suppression of the decay into a neutrino-antineutrino pair due to the W-boson mass.

My calculation differs by one order of magnitude which may be due to a missed numerical constant.
 
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