Newtonian Limit in G.R.: Differences Explained

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The discussion revolves around the Newtonian limit in General Relativity (G.R.) as presented in different texts, specifically comparing the requirements outlined by Sean Carroll and Schutz. Participants explore the implications of the metric components in recovering Newtonian physics, focusing on the necessity of certain conditions for the spatial components of the metric.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant cites Sean Carroll’s notes indicating that the Newtonian limit is achieved with the condition g_{00} = -(1+2\phi), while Schutz requires additional conditions on the spatial components g_{11}, g_{22}, and g_{33} to be (1+2\phi).
  • Another participant suggests that the spatial components are not necessary to recover the Newtonian equations of motion, referencing the geodesic equation for slow-moving objects.
  • A later reply clarifies that both metrics can be considered correct Newtonian limits, emphasizing that the spatial components do not affect the equations of motion significantly as long as they are close to the identity matrix.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the necessity of Schutz's additional requirements, with some arguing that both metrics are valid while others question the completeness of the conditions presented by Schutz.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the dependency on specific definitions and the context in which the Newtonian limit is applied, as well as the potential implications of the spatial components in the equations of motion.

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According to Sean Carroll’s Lecture Notes on General Relativity, equation (4.20) and text below, the Newtonian limit is obtained when [itex]g_{00} = -(1+2\phi)[/itex]. However, in Schutz’s “A first course in General Relativity” it is additionally required that [itex]g_{11} = g_{22} = g_{33} = (1+2\phi)[/itex]. I do not understand the need for this. Are both metrics a correct Newtonian limit? Why does Schutz put this additional requirement?
 
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hellfire said:
Why does Schutz put this additional requirement?

To be complete. But the spatial components of the metric aren't needed to recover the Newtonian equations of motion. Look at the geodesic equation for objects moving at slow speeds.
 
Stingray said:
To be complete. But the spatial components of the metric aren't needed to recover the Newtonian equations of motion.
Thanks Stingray. So both are correct Newtonian limits. What do you mean with "to be complete"?
 
hellfire said:
Thanks Stingray. So both are correct Newtonian limits. What do you mean with "to be complete"?

I mean that the "Newtonian metric" satisfies both of those conditions. They are not separate things. It's just that the spatial components happen to drop out of the equations of motion as long as they're close to [tex]\delta_{ij}[/tex].
 

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