Newton's laws,solving for tension (smthn wrong with my work)?

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The problem involves a toy cart on a frictionless ramp, where a load rests on top of the cart. The goal is to determine the maximum tension in the rope that can be applied without causing the load to slip, taking into account the forces acting on both the cart and the load, including friction and gravity.

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  • The original poster attempts to apply Newton's laws to analyze the forces acting on the cart and the load, but expresses confusion regarding the inclusion of gravitational forces in their equations.
  • Some participants question the original poster's equations and suggest that gravity must be considered in the force balance.
  • There is discussion about how to correctly incorporate the gravitational force acting on the load in the context of the inclined plane.

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Participants note that the original poster's equations may not accurately reflect the dynamics of the system due to the omission of gravitational components, particularly in the context of the incline.

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A flat-topped toy cart moves on frictionless wheels, pulled by a rope under tension The mass of the cart is m1. A load of mass m2 rests on top of the cart with the coefficient of static friction u between the cart and the load. The cart is pulled up a ramp that is inclined at an angle theta above the horizontal. The rope is parallel to the ramp. What is the maximum tension T that can be applied without causing to load to slip?

Okay. I figure this problem is fairly simple right?
(i) Fx = m2a
(ii) ff = m2a
(iii)Fy = 0
(iv)Fn - m2gcos = 0
(v) Fn = m2gcos
Plug v into (ii)
(vi) um2gcos = m2a
(vii) a = ugcos
Now sum forces for the cart
(vii) T - ff = (m1+m2)a
Plug in (vi) and (vii)
T - um2gcos = (m1+m2)(ugcos)
Here's my problem. The final answer is simply T = (m1+m2)(ugcos). Meaning there's an obvious problem with my work here...

What's the problem here? I'm so confused! My teacher suggested "adding m2gsin" to my fx equation, so like m2a + m2gsin? Because I tried that out and it still didn't work. Any help is great help, thanks in advance
 
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JadeLove said:
(i) Fx = m2a
(ii) ff = m2a
What about gravity?
(iii)Fy = 0
(iv)Fn - m2gcos = 0
(v) Fn = m2gcos
OK.
Plug v into (ii)
(vi) um2gcos = m2a
(vii) a = ugcos
You'll need to fix this since you left out gravity on m2.
Now sum forces for the cart
(vii) T - ff = (m1+m2)a
The cart has mass m1, not m1 + m2. (And you forgot about gravity again.)
 
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Doc Al said:
What about gravity?

OK.

You'll need to fix this since you left out gravity on m2.

The cart has mass m1, not m1 + m2. (And you forgot about gravity again.)

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Right, so does that mean it's m2a + m2gsin, with gravity added? or am I wrong??
 
JadeLove said:
Right, so does that mean it's m2a + m2gsin, with gravity added? or am I wrong??
Adding gravity to your m2 equation means adding -m2gsinθ to ƩFx.
 
Doc Al said:
Adding gravity to your m2 equation means adding -m2gsinθ to ƩFx.

Okay, thanks ^__^
 

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