Newton's 3rd Law, pulley, only given friction coefficients

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The problem involves three connected masses with a focus on the effects of friction on a surface associated with one of the masses. The original poster seeks to determine the acceleration of each mass, given specific coefficients of friction for the surface under one of the masses.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss the relevance of the provided image and the clarity of the problem statement. There are inquiries about the initial conditions, such as whether the system starts from rest and how the presence of friction affects the dynamics of the masses. Some participants suggest separating the work from the equations to clarify the relationships involved.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants seeking clarification on the problem setup and the role of friction. There is an acknowledgment of the complexity introduced by the frictional forces and the need for clearer definitions regarding the surfaces involved. No consensus has been reached yet.

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There are questions about the initial conditions of the system and the specific surfaces that have friction, which may impact the interpretation of the problem. The original poster has provided coefficients of static and kinetic friction, but the implications of these on the overall system dynamics are still being explored.

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Homework Statement


An object consists of 3 connected masses as seen in the figure. None of the surfaces have friction except the surface on m1 which has the coefficients μs=0.4 y μk=0.3.
What is the acceleration of each one of the masses?
It looks like the following image but m1 is the table and m2 is equal to m3 or the block that's hanging from the pulley of the table.
nMkXx.png




Homework Equations


∑Fx = m1a → τ - fk = m1a
∑Fy = 0 → n- m1g = 0
T= μkm1g+ m1a
∑Fy = m2a → m2g - T =m2a
m2g - (μkm1g+m1a) = m2a
a = m2 - μkm1/m1 + m2



The Attempt at a Solution


I got up to the finally equation but I can't figure out how to solve the equation without mass. I've attached a picture just in case the problem needs some clearing up. Thanks! :smile:
 

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Please separate the work from the relevant equations.

The attached image is a bit confusing since it has two masses, m2, but one mentions a mass m3.

The falling mass is 'pulled' by gravity, so there must be 'g' in the final solution. Gravity is 'forcing' the system.

The small mass is pulled by the falling mass through tension in the cord or string.

Opposing the motion of the horizontally moving smaller mass is the friction with the table. If the table is free to slide, then it too will experience acceleration due to the frictional force sliding on top of it.

The accelerations will be related to g by some coefficient which will be a complicated function of the masses.
 
Is it safe to say that your first image is not relevant to this problem?

Are there any constraints on the problem? Are things starting from rest? Is the hanging mass falling? Is the system being accelerated?

Please revise your description of the problem to be clear about which surfaces have friction.
 
Particularly, one's needs to clarify "None of the surfaces have friction except the surface on m1 which has the coefficients μs=0.4 y μk=0.3." As shown in the attached diagram, m1 has two surfaces - between m1 and the ground, and between m1 and the mass on top. Friction on either of those surfaces, or both, will significantly affect the answer.
 

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