Acceleration and Tension in Multiple Pulleys

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves two blocks, m1 and m2, connected by pulleys, with m1 on a frictionless surface and m2 hanging. The objective is to determine the tension in the ropes and the acceleration of each block.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the assumption that both masses have the same acceleration and question its validity. There are considerations about how the movement of one block affects the other, particularly in relation to the fixed length of the rope.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively questioning the assumptions made regarding the acceleration of the blocks and exploring the implications of the rope's fixed length on their movements. Suggestions have been made to analyze the relationship between the positions of the masses and the rope length.

Contextual Notes

There is an emphasis on the constraints of the problem, particularly the fixed length of the rope and the nature of the pulleys being massless and frictionless. Participants are considering how these factors influence the motion of the blocks.

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Homework Statement


Block "m1" sits on a horizontal frictionless surface. Block "m2" is hanging below the pulleys as shown. All of the pulleys are massless and frictionless. Given [m1, m2]. Determine:

a. The tension in each rope.
b. The acceleration of each block.

assignment 5, prob 7.png

Homework Equations


Sum(F) = ma

The Attempt at a Solution


block m1:
F = m1a
Tension = m1a

block m2:
m2g - T - T = m2a
m2g - 2T = m2a
2T = m2g - m2a

*insert tension found through working block m1

2(m1a) = m2g - m2a
2m1a + m2a = m2g
a(2m1 + m2) = m2g
a = m2g/(2m1 + m2)

a. T = m1a
b. Acceleration = m2g/(2m1 + m2)

I've been been looking around the internet and asking my peers about this problem and we all seem to have varying answers. Could someone verify as to whether or not I'm doing this properly?

Thanks
 
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You have assumed both masses have the same acceleration. Do they?
 
Orodruin said:
You have assumed both masses have the same acceleration. Do they?

Hm, might it be that block m1 has a greater acceleration due to the rope pulling directly on it? If so how would the acceleration differ?
 
Lanox said:
Hm, might it be that block m1 has a greater acceleration due to the rope pulling directly on it? If so how would the acceleration differ?
If mass 1 moves 1 cm, how far does mass 2 move? Hint: The rope is likely assumed to have a fixed length.
 
Orodruin said:
If mass 1 moves 1 cm, how far does mass 2 move? Hint: The rope is likely assumed to have a fixed length.
I believe that mass 2 would also move one centimeter, or would the existence of the rope connected to the hook create a different outcome?
 
I suggest you write the length of the rope as a function of the positions of the masses.
 
Lanox said:
I believe that mass 2 would also move one centimeter, or would the existence of the rope connected to the hook create a different outcome?

I recommend a pulley. Connect one to a string and use it to lift something. If you don't have a pulley make one out of a key ring. Just loop the string (or a shoe lace) through the ring and use it to lift the keys, just as you would to lift m2.
 
Supposing mass m2 moves down by 1 cm. How much longer became both vertical pieces of the rope?
The length of the whole rope is constant. How much shorter becomes the horizontal piece?
 

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