Newton's Method generalized to 3 dimensions

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The discussion revolves around the application of Newton's Method to approximate solutions for a system of equations in two variables, specifically focusing on deriving a formula for the general solution in three dimensions. The original poster presents a problem involving the intersection of two surfaces defined by equations f(x,y) = 0 and g(x,y) = 0, and how to derive the next approximation using tangent planes.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to understand the reasoning behind the specific pairing of functions f and g with their respective partial derivatives in the context of the derived formulas. Some participants question the logic of the original poster's approach and suggest considering the intersection of the line with the plane z=0. Others reflect on the equivalence of the values of f and g at the intersection points, leading to a discussion about the necessity of the specific pairings in the equations.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different interpretations of the problem and questioning the assumptions made in the original poster's reasoning. Some guidance has been offered regarding the relationship between the functions and their derivatives, but no consensus has been reached on the necessity of the specific pairings in the formulas.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the problem involves deriving a formula under specific conditions related to the intersection of surfaces and the behavior of the functions involved. There is an acknowledgment of the potential complexity introduced by the follow-up question regarding the intersection of different equations, which may influence the understanding of the original problem.

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Homework Statement



Prelim: my question is about a very specific part of a question whereby the student is asked to derive the final formula for the general solution in two vars, but I will post the entire question for clarify.

Newton's Method for approximating the roots of an equation f(x)=0 can be adapted to approximating solutions of a system of equations f(x,y)=0 and g(x,y) = 0. The surfaces z = f(x,y) and z = g(x,y) intersect in a curve that intersects the xy-plane at the point (r,s) which is the solution of the system.

If an initial approximation (x1,y1) is close to the point (r,s), then the tangent planes to the surface at (x1,y1) intersect in a straight line that should intersect the xy-plane closer to (r,s).

Show that

x_2 = x_1 - \frac{fg_y-f_yg}{f_xg_y-f_yg_x}

and

y_2 = y_1 - \frac{f_xg-fg_x}{f_xg_y-f_y-g_x}

Homework Equations



\vec{v} = \vec{n_f} \times \vec{n_g}: direction vector of line of intersection of the two planes, basically the cross product of the normal vectors to the two planes

x_n = x_{n-1} - \frac{f(x_{n-1})}{f'(x_{n-1})}: single var form of Newton's Method to be adapted.

The Attempt at a Solution



So I consider this line of intersection of two planes from two perspectives. One looking at it "down" the y-axis to consider just the relationship between z and x, and then by looking "down" the x-axis to consider just the relationship between z and y.

I can see that \frac{\partial z}{\partial x} = \frac{f_xg_y-f_yg_x}{g_y-f_y} and \frac{\partial z}{\partial y} = \frac{f_xg_y-f_yg_x}{f_x-g_x} by taking the z component of \vec{v} (the direction vector of the line formed from the cross product) and dividing it by the x and y components of \vec{v} respectively.

I get to here with it:

x_2 = x_1 - z_1 \frac{g_y-f_y}{f_xg_y-f_yg_x}

Now, I can see that since all the points we are working with here are points of intersection, that the x,y and z's are all common for all the surfaces, planes and lines concerned. So z1 = f(x1,y1) = g(x1,y1)...so I can accept that we could pick either f or g to be z in the equation...but the text specifically states

x_2 = x_1 - \frac{fg_y-f_yg}{f_xg_y-f_yg_x}

The text shows the z = f when multiplied by the gy and z = g when multiplied by the fy.

Why is this?

A follow up question to this one is to find the points of intersection of x^x+y^y=1000 and x^y + y^x = 100 so I can see how it might be important to choose z = f for multiplication with gy and z = g for multiplication with fy, but I can't spy the reasoning behind it.
 
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I don't quite get the logic of your solution - but going back to the "relevant equations" part, if you calculate the vector ## \vec v ## then you are searching for the intersection of the line ## \{(x,y,z)+t\vec v,t\in\mathbb{R}\} ## with the plane z=0. Would that work ?
 
wabbit said:
I don't quite get the logic of your solution - but going back to the "relevant equations" part, if you calculate the vector ## \vec v ## then you are searching for the intersection of the line ## \{(x,y,z)+t\vec v,t\in\mathbb{R}\} ## with the plane z=0. Would that work ?

Actually, I realized that I was just confusing myself. Provided f(x,y) = 0 and g(x,y) = 0, z = f = g when evaluated at the same x,y, so it doesn't matter which partial deriv you pair the z,f, or g with, they'll always be the same value anyway, so I think the text was just pairing f with gy and g with fy for aesthetic purposes, because regardless of which you choose that second problem I mentioned x^x+y^y=1000 and x^y + y^x = 100 will have the same solutions, which look just fine when you graph them.
 
Well there is only one Newton formula you can arrive at, no aestethic choice involved - so I am not sure what you mean here.

Also my question in the previous post was rhetorical. It will work.
 
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