Next step in Linear Algebra studies?

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The discussion revolves around the next steps in studying linear algebra, particularly focusing on multilinear algebra and tensor algebra. Participants share their experiences with various textbooks and suggest further areas of study, including functional analysis and abstract algebra.

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Main Points Raised

  • Broccoli 21 expresses interest in multilinear algebra and tensor algebra and seeks recommendations for introductory texts that do not rely heavily on abstract algebra.
  • Some participants suggest that advanced linear algebra often requires knowledge of abstract algebra or topology, recommending books like Steven Roman's "Advanced Linear Algebra" and "The Linear Algebra a Beginning Grad Student Ought to Know."
  • It is noted that courses in analysis on manifolds typically cover tensors, with suggestions to check out "Calculus on Manifolds" by Spivak or "Analysis on Manifolds" by Munkres, which require real analysis and rigorous linear algebra as prerequisites.
  • One participant proposes two directions for further study: functional analysis, which relates to infinite-dimensional linear algebra, and modules, which involve replacing fields with rings, both leading to tensors and multilinear algebra.
  • Another participant questions whether "Baby Rudin" provides sufficient background for functional analysis, expressing uncertainty about their readiness for modules.
  • Recommendations for functional analysis include Kreyszig's book, which is said to have minimal prerequisites, while for abstract algebra, "Basic Algebra" by Knapp is suggested as a beautiful introductory text.
  • There is discussion about the sufficiency of knowledge in groups, rings, and fields for studying Roman's "Advanced Linear Algebra," with some participants affirming that it should be adequate.
  • Ted Shifrin's book "Algebra from a Geometric Viewpoint" is mentioned as suitable for those who have just completed linear algebra.
  • Werner Greub's books on linear and multilinear algebra are suggested, with a recommendation for the latter based on the original poster's interests.
  • Concerns are raised about the prerequisites for Greub's "Linear Algebra," with suggestions to explore the material before committing to it.
  • One participant mentions Halmos' "Linear Algebra Problem Book" as a potential resource for further practice.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the importance of abstract algebra for advancing in linear algebra studies, but there are differing opinions on the best direction to take (functional analysis vs. modules) and the prerequisites needed for various texts. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the optimal path forward for individuals with different backgrounds.

Contextual Notes

Participants express varying levels of familiarity with abstract algebra and analysis, indicating that their readiness for advanced topics may depend on their prior coursework and self-study. There is also uncertainty about the prerequisites for certain recommended texts.

Broccoli21
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Hey folks,
I just finished reading Axler's Linear Algebra Done Right, and Halmos' Finite Dimensional Vector Spaces, as well as doing pretty much all the problems in both of them. I really like linear algebra, and would like to keep learning more. I am interested in multilinear algebra and tensor algebra. Is there a nice intro to this subject out there, especially one that doesn't rely on abstract algebra (as I don't know much of that)?
Thanks,
Broccoli 21
 
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From what I have seen, advanced linear algebra either requires some abstract algebra (e.g. module theory) or topology (e.g metric spaces). Two books I think seem good are Steven Roman's "Advanced linear algebra" and "The linear algebra a beginning grad student ought to know".
 
You'll experience some tensors in most analysis on manifolds courses. Check out Calculus on Manifolds by Spivak or Analysis on Manifolds by Munkres. Typical prerequisites are real analysis and rigorous linear algebra.
 
Broccoli21 said:
Hey folks,
I just finished reading Axler's Linear Algebra Done Right, and Halmos' Finite Dimensional Vector Spaces, as well as doing pretty much all the problems in both of them. I really like linear algebra, and would like to keep learning more. I am interested in multilinear algebra and tensor algebra. Is there a nice intro to this subject out there, especially one that doesn't rely on abstract algebra (as I don't know much of that)?
Thanks,
Broccoli 21

from there I would say there are two directions you could go. there's functional analysis which is sort of like infinite-dimensional linear algebra or there's modules, which is like linear algebra where the field is replaced by a ring. if you do modules you'd definitely get to tensors at some point, & probably multilinear algebra. before doing any of that though I think it would be a good idea to brush up on abstract algebra, especially rings.
 
Hmm. Both of these seem to require math that I haven't taken. Would Baby Rudin be sufficient background for functional analysis?
I have only basic abstract algebra under my belt. Maybe I'll wait till later to tackle modules and the like.
 
To go any further, your will need to learn Abstract Algebra. As you go along, Linear Algebra and Abstract Algebra merge in the study of modules and algebras. There are a number of solid algebra textbooks, but different ones are better depending on your starting level. Have you done an abstract course, or just read on your own?
espen180 said:
Two books I think seem good are Steven Roman's "Advanced linear algebra" and "The linear algebra a beginning grad student ought to know".
Roman's book is excellent, and a good supplement to a straight algebra book.
 
fourier jr said:
from there I would say there are two directions you could go. there's functional analysis which is sort of like infinite-dimensional linear algebra or there's modules, which is like linear algebra where the field is replaced by a ring. if you do modules you'd definitely get to tensors at some point, & probably multilinear algebra. before doing any of that though I think it would be a good idea to brush up on abstract algebra, especially rings.

Which direction would be most favourable for a physicist to take? I am in a similar position as the OP. Also, could someone recommend a beginners/an introductory book in abstract algebra, i.e. an abstract algebra book for people who have just finished linear algebra? Thanks in advance.
 
Broccoli21 said:
Hmm. Both of these seem to require math that I haven't taken. Would Baby Rudin be sufficient background for functional analysis?
I have only basic abstract algebra under my belt. Maybe I'll wait till later to tackle modules and the like.

If you want to do functional analysis, then check out Kreyszig. This is a wonderful book that doesn't demand much prereqs. You don't need baby Rudin in order to read that book as it develops analysis from the beginning. (familiarity with a book like Spivaks calculus is necessary though)

If you want to go the algebra route, then you should read "basic algebra" by Knapp. It's an extremely beautiful and inspiring book.
 
Pattern said:
Which direction would be most favourable for a physicist to take? I am in a similar position as the OP. Also, could someone recommend a beginners/an introductory book in abstract algebra, i.e. an abstract algebra book for people who have just finished linear algebra? Thanks in advance.

Algebra wouldn't hurt but functional analysis would probably be better. Kreyszig has a good book which keeps the topology & measure theory to a minimum. I haven't seen a lot of intro algebra books but iirc one of Herstein's is good & has lots of examples.
 
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If you want to do functional analysis, then check out Kreyszig. This is a wonderful book that doesn't demand much prereqs. You don't need baby Rudin in order to read that book as it develops analysis from the beginning. (familiarity with a book like Spivaks calculus is necessary though)
Thanks! I have taken intro to analysis (using baby Rudin), so I think I'll check out Kreyszig. Functional Analysis seems pretty cool, and like Pattern, I'm interested in Physics.

Also, after I take abstract algebra I (groups, rings and fields), I can take representation theory. Would that be sufficient background to study Roman's "Advanced linear algebra"? If not, then what other math should I take?

Note: on the representation theory class description it says:
"The topics covered will include group rings, characters, orthogonality relations, induced representations, applications of representation theory, and other select topics from module theory."
 
  • #11
I think you'll be fine for Roman if you know about groups, rings and fields. He does cover the preliminaries briefly, though.
 
  • #12
Ted Shifrin wrote a book on abstract algebra for people that have just had linear algebra, called algebra from a geometric viewpoint.werner greub has two books on linear algebra, one called linear algebra and one called multilinear algebra. I would suggest the second one for the OP's original request.
 
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mathwonk said:
Ted Shifrin wrote a book on abstract algebra for people that have just had linear algebra, called algebra from a geometric viewpoint.


werner greub has two books on linear algebra, one called linear algebra and one called multilinear algebra. I would suggest the second one for the OP's original request.

Thanks! In the description of "Multilinear Algebra", it says that his "Linear Algebra" book is a prerequisite. "Linear Algebra" seems to be a graduate-level book. Should I study that first?
You can see the table of contents here (look inside)
https://www.amazon.com/dp/0387901108/?tag=pfamazon01-20
 
  • #14
it's written in a less informal style & from a more abstract point of view than axler's. you could try working on a book on multilinear algebra (northcott does another one btw), say flip through a copy at your library & see if you can follow it. if not I still think more abstract algebra would probably make it easier.
 
  • #15
Since you've already studied Halmos' Finite Dimensional Vector Spaces, you might enjoy working the problems in his Linear Algebra Problem Book.
 

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