NH3 adsorption at high pressure

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the adsorption behavior of ammonia (NH3) at high pressures, specifically within the range of 1-15 bar. Participants explore theoretical frameworks, such as the Langmuir adsorption isotherm, and consider the implications of ammonia's vapor pressure and the dynamics of adsorption and desorption processes.

Discussion Character

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  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants reference the Langmuir adsorption isotherm theory, suggesting that increased pressure leads to higher adsorption levels.
  • Concerns are raised regarding the vapor pressure of ammonia at 25°C being 8 bar, questioning whether adsorption occurs at 15 bar.
  • It is noted that at very low pressures (below 0.5 Torr), ammonia recovers different adsorption sites gradually, releasing varying heats of adsorption, which provide insights into surface energetics.
  • One participant speculates that at high pressures (above 1 bar), all adsorption sites may recover simultaneously and proposes that multilayer formation occurs initially during adsorption.
  • Another participant challenges this view, suggesting that a monolayer is likely formed at moderate to high pressures, with multilayers potentially forming only at higher pressures where space permits.
  • There is mention of the desorption process, indicating that weakly bound sites release ammonia before strongly bound sites, and that desorption may follow a stepwise fashion.
  • Participants express uncertainty about the specific heats of desorption and the potential for additional modes of adsorption at higher pressures.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the behavior of ammonia adsorption at high pressures, particularly regarding the formation of multilayers versus monolayers and the recovery dynamics of adsorption sites. No consensus is reached on these points.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the dependence on specific substrate characteristics and the unresolved nature of the heats of desorption associated with the adsorption process.

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Hi! Does anywone knows what happen with ammonia adsorption at pressures of 1-15 bar? thanks.:smile:
 
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According to the Langmuir adsorption isotherm theory, the fraction of adsorbed sites on a surface is increased as the pressure (or concentration) rises. Therefore as the pressure goes up, the adsorption goes up.
 
chemisttree said:
According to the Langmuir adsorption isotherm theory, the fraction of adsorbed sites on a surface is increased as the pressure (or concentration) rises. Therefore as the pressure goes up, the adsorption goes up.

Yes, O know. the problem is: vapor pressure of NH at 25C is 8 Bar. Do we have adsorption at 15Bar? secondly. When an adsorption is performed at very small pressures (below 0.5Torr = 0.000666 Bar) ammonia will recover gradually the different adsorption sites. iun accordance with this, different heats of adsortpion are released. firstly, the strongest sites are recoverd after that the lowest one. these heats are able to give information about surface energetics of the solid. When we work at so high pressures (more than 1Bar) are we able to have the same information? What really happen with ammonia. I think that all adsorption sites will be recoverd at the same time. i think that a multilayer will be frmed at the beginning of the adsorption. What do you think?
 
brendw2005 said:
Yes, O know. the problem is: vapor pressure of NH at 25C is 8 Bar. Do we have adsorption at 15Bar?
Yes.


brendw2005 said:
secondly. When an adsorption is performed at very small pressures (below 0.5Torr = 0.000666 Bar) ammonia will recover gradually the different adsorption sites. iun accordance with this, different heats of adsortpion are released. firstly, the strongest sites are recoverd after that the lowest one. these heats are able to give information about surface energetics of the solid. When we work at so high pressures (more than 1Bar) are we able to have the same information?
After populating all of the various sites (including the possibility of multilayer sites...) the application of a lower pressure will cause the more weakly bound sites to give up ammonia before the strongly bound sites will. You called this "...strongest sites are recoverd after that the lowest one." There is a heat of desorption associated with this but I don't know what it is. You also need some information about the substrate to answer that one... When even higher pressures are applied prior to the application of the lower (desorption) pressure there is a possibility that additional modes of adsorption may be observed. These will be extremely weakly bound ammonia and may be difficult to measure.

brendw2005 said:
What really happen with ammonia. I think that all adsorption sites will be recoverd at the same time. i think that a multilayer will be frmed at the beginning of the adsorption. What do you think?

I don't agree but I don't have any specific information for your system. It is likely that a monolayer will be formed over all of the sites at moderate to high pressure and at even higher pressures multilayers may form where space allows. Desorption would follow the general trend of multilayer > weakly bound > strongly bound in any case and should occur in definite stepwise (and measurable) fashion. Differences in the desorption isotherm after application of increasingly high pressure would indicate that something interesting is happening such as fracture, permanent surface change, reaction, etc...
 

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