Nicest things to do is finding a butterfly

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the enjoyment of observing and photographing butterflies, particularly in butterfly greenhouses or conservatories. Participants share personal experiences, photography tips, and various butterfly species, while also expressing their appreciation for the beauty of these insects.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
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  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Experimental/applied

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants describe their experiences visiting butterfly greenhouses and the joy of capturing photographs of butterflies.
  • Questions arise about the nature and characteristics of butterfly greenhouses, with some participants providing descriptions and links to examples.
  • Photography techniques are discussed, including suggestions for shutter speed and aperture settings to improve butterfly images.
  • Participants share various butterfly species they have encountered, including personal anecdotes about catching butterflies in their youth.
  • There is mention of the differences between butterflies and moths, with some participants sharing images and links to species.
  • Some participants express a preference for butterfly photography over collections of preserved specimens, citing the ease of capturing images with modern equipment.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally share a common interest in butterflies and photography, but there are varying opinions on the best methods for capturing images and the value of collections versus photographs. The discussion remains open-ended with no consensus on specific techniques or preferences.

Contextual Notes

Some participants reference specific locations and exhibitions, while others express uncertainty about the availability of certain butterfly species in their regions. There are also mentions of personal experiences that may influence their views on butterfly photography.

Who May Find This Useful

Individuals interested in entomology, photography, nature enthusiasts, and those looking to visit butterfly conservatories or improve their butterfly photography skills may find this discussion valuable.

  • #31


I love love love monarch butterflies! A few years ago I had one land on my finger for about 30 seconds, it was a magical feeling. Here is a photo of a butterfly shot my husband took at the zoo here in Oregon. (I cannot attach photos all that well!)
 

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  • #32


Borek said:
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Background is what counts in this picture :wink:

Borek, is that an urn in the background?
 
  • #33


No.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samovar

Not that we ever used it. Still, a nice one, made in the city of Tula. As far as I know my Dad had some rare sabre that he lent to one of his friends - when the sabre got lost, he got the samovar as a satisfaction for a lost item.
 
  • #34


wow,so nice shot
 
  • #35


Andre, the butterfly flight shots are amazing! The third one is the best.

Borek, the variety of the butterflies in th epictures you have taken are very nice. In addition, the butterfly collection you have in the backround of the picture is quite large. My collection pales in comparison. :frown:
 
  • #36


Thanks ~Christina~, that reminds me, I need to visit the greenhouses of the botanical garden of the Univerrsity of Utrecht soon. They have a tropical butterfly exhibition this season.

Hmm the English version doesn't seem to work but there are online translators.

And I would not bother about a butterfly collection. A butterfly picture collection is much better.
 
  • #37


Andre said:
Thanks ~Christina~, that reminds me, I need to visit the greenhouses of the botanical garden of the Univerrsity of Utrecht soon. They have a tropical butterfly exhibition this season.
Ooh you have to try to get a sequence of flight shots again. :smile: The variety of butterflies that you have taken pictures of is more than what there is available around here. :frown: (I speak of conservatories and not of native species)

And I would not bother about a butterfly collection. A butterfly picture collection is much better.
I agree that a photo collection is better but it's easier when you have a macro lens at your disposal.
 
  • #38


~christina~ said:
Ooh you have to try to get a sequence of flight shots again. :smile: The variety of butterflies that you have taken pictures of is more than what there is available around here. :frown: (I speak of conservatories and not of native species)

Yes I'm am aiming for that but after the heat wave

I agree that a photo collection is better but it's easier when you have a macro lens at your disposal.

True, but it's not the only one. If you put a +1 dioptry close up lens on a moderate telelens (100-200mm for instance), you can surprise yourself already.

Also right here you can hire photographic equipment for a day or so, so you could check out the possibilities of all kind of lenses.
 
  • #39


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  • #40


Sorry I missed that ~christina~ that's certainly a good start. These look very small, don't they?
 
  • #41


Andre said:
Sorry I missed that ~christina~ that's certainly a good start. These look very small, don't they?

The pictures you mean? I could post larger shots of them. It is much more difficult to take pictures of small insects when you use a 300mm lens. :-p
 
  • #42


300mm? a prime or a basic 70-300mm zoom? Yes 300mm is not very useable, but try to put on such a thing:

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+1 and +2 are probably the most useable and if you have a zoom, mid range ~100 to 150 may work better, it also gives you the "sweet spot" of the lens (honi soit qui mal y pense) combined with an aperture Av ~ 11. Also not sure if the VR (if available) works correctly with close up lenses, you may have to turn that off. Also use flash to get a sufficient short shutter speed because things move around a lot.
 
  • #43


Found another butterfly greenhouse. A few of today's captures:

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  • #44


WOW :!) those are spectacular, Andre!
 
  • #45


Andre said:
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Is it my eyes or are the wings transparent?! I's gorguoes! Thanks for sharing. :smile:
 
  • #46


You're welcome, yes it's the http://www.hemmy.net/2006/04/30/glasswing-butterfly/ .
 
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  • #47


As always, Andre, I'm amazed.
 
  • #48


:smile: Maybe a few more then,

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  • #49


Wonderful pictures Andre! :smile:

Here's a visitor whose picture I captured several years ago.

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  • #50


Andre said:
300mm? a prime or a basic 70-300mm zoom? Yes 300mm is not very useable, but try to put on such a thing:

5obech.jpg


+1 and +2 are probably the most useable and if you have a zoom, mid range ~100 to 150 may work better, it also gives you the "sweet spot" of the lens (honi soit qui mal y pense) combined with an aperture Av ~ 11. Also not sure if the VR (if available) works correctly with close up lenses, you may have to turn that off. Also use flash to get a sufficient short shutter speed because things move around a lot.

There are very few lens attachments available at the stores that I usually frequent. It's sad. I purchased a circular polarizer and was not impressed with the result. The focus and sharpness of the images produced were of low quality.

Why doesn't VR work with the close up lenses?

close ups of the pictures I posted before:

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  • #51


I could see some of these as wall hangings Andre. Such crisp bright colors. Lovely.
 
  • #52


I <3 this thread!
 
  • #53


HeLiXe said:
I <3 this thread!

I have never understood this icon.

I always think it looks like an a**-hat.
 
  • #54


:smile: Well at least it looks like something to you...when I first saw it, all I thought was "less than three":-p Maybe it would be a better emoticon for *$%hat than a heart...
 
  • #55


Butterflies <3 coneflowers, as do bees and hummingbirds. The bush is right in back of my monitor so I can peek out from time to time to see who's here.

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  • #57


Nice Andy, but would that visitor be so kind and sit still for one and a half second?

I had rejected this picture as first choice at first, because it was underexposed. It's likely that the control mechanism cut off the flash early due to the overwhelming light return from the flash due to those flowers close by.

But the butterfly (~Christina~, did you identify it already?) was hovering as can be seen from the folded legs and yet it was quite crisp, so I decided to unreject it and do some RAW post processing, to get rid of the noise due to the underexposure.

This is the full shot

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and a 50% crop (showing the noise too)

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  • #58


Beautiful.
 
  • #59


Beautiful butterflies and bees, indeed!
 
  • #60


Andre said:
Nice Andy, but would that visitor be so kind and sit still for one and a half second?

I had rejected this picture as first choice at first, because it was underexposed. It's likely that the control mechanism cut off the flash early due to the overwhelming light return from the flash due to those flowers close by.

But the butterfly (~Christina~, did you identify it already?) was hovering as can be seen from the folded legs and yet it was quite crisp, so I decided to unreject it and do some RAW post processing, to get rid of the noise due to the underexposure.

Nice photo- excellent sharpness as well; what lens are you using?

Yes, the bee not only sat still for 1.5 seconds (not to mention the lack of a breeze), but didn't mind me sticking the camera in its face... I should probably get a flash...
 

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