Nick Lanes on Sean Carroll's podcast

  • Thread starter Thread starter BillTre
  • Start date Start date
Click For Summary

Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the origin of life, particularly focusing on various theories and models such as the metabolism-first approach advocated by Nick Lane and the significance of alkaline hydrothermal vents. Participants share resources, including podcasts, articles, and recent research papers that explore biochemical processes and evolutionary models related to the emergence of life.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Experimental/applied

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants highlight Nick Lane's metabolism-first approach to the origin of life and his emphasis on alkaline hydrothermal vents as potential sites for life's emergence.
  • Others reference a recent video by Lane that delves into early biochemistry, suggesting it provides detailed insights into the origin of life issues.
  • A participant shares a link to a PNAS article discussing various researchers in the field, indicating ongoing debates about abiogenesis.
  • Another participant mentions a paper outlining strategies that bridge top-down and bottom-up approaches to understanding life's origins.
  • Discussion includes recent findings related to the formation of long-chain fatty acids in simulated thermal vents, proposing their relevance to early protocells.
  • Recent work on the "RNA world" model is introduced, emphasizing the importance of replication fidelity in early RNA-based systems.
  • Some participants express surprise regarding the accessibility of PNAS articles and discuss the characteristics of hammerhead RNA, noting its structural features.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants present multiple competing views regarding the origin of life, with no consensus reached on the most viable model or approach. The discussion remains unresolved, with various hypotheses and ongoing debates highlighted.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the dependence on specific definitions of life and abiogenesis, as well as unresolved aspects of the biochemical processes discussed. The scope of the discussion is primarily focused on theoretical and experimental approaches without definitive conclusions.

BillTre
Science Advisor
Gold Member
Messages
2,746
Reaction score
12,007
TL;DR
Nick Lanes is a primary proponent of a metabolisms first, alkaline hydrothermal vent approach to the origin of life. He has just published a book on how core metabolism could have preceded the origin of life. He has a new book on this stuff.
Here is one of Sean Carrol's podcasts. He talks with Nick Lane who is one of the most interesting (to me) people publishing on origin of life issues. He takes a strong metabolism first approach to the origin of life and also strongly favors alkaline hydrothermal vents as the site for where life emerged.
He has a new book out: Transformer: the deep chemistry of life and death.
 
Last edited:
  • Like
  • Informative
  • Love
Likes   Reactions: hutchphd, mattt, atyy and 2 others
Biology news on Phys.org
Here is another video I just found by Nick Lane.
This one is nice in that he is only talking about origin of life issues and goes into a lot of detail on how early biochemistry might have worked.
 
  • Like
Likes   Reactions: Laroxe and pinball1970
@BillTre

This was in phys.org last week

https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.2300687120

I quick flick through the refs and all the usual suspects there including Russell, Lane, Oparin, Wächtershäuser.
There was a debate on YT regarding research on abiogenesis recently (interesting but not for pf )
 
Last edited:
  • Like
Likes   Reactions: BillTre
Recent work on the "RNA world" model

https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.2321592121

From the abstract,

"This study demonstrates the critical importance of replication fidelity for maintaining heritable information in an RNA-based evolving system, such as is thought to have existed during the early history of life on Earth."

https://phys.org/news/2024-03-life-evidence-rna-world.html

from the article

"The study, published in Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences (PNAS), unveils an RNA enzyme that can make accurate copies of other functional RNA strands, while also allowing new variants of the molecule to emerge over time. These remarkable capabilities suggest the earliest forms of evolution may have occurred on a molecular scale in RNA."
 
  • Like
  • Informative
Likes   Reactions: Astranut and BillTre
Wow, it took them a while to find one that would work.

I thought for some reason PNAS had gone open access. I guess that was wrong on that.
Hammerhead RNA's are between 50 and 150 nucleotides long, but a core of 15 invariant bases and 3 helical stems (not sequence invariant). Other parts would seem to be more variable.
 
  • Informative
Likes   Reactions: pinball1970

Similar threads

  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
2K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
2K
Replies
2
Views
1K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
2K
  • · Replies 8 ·
Replies
8
Views
3K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
4K
  • · Replies 266 ·
9
Replies
266
Views
31K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
7K
  • · Replies 21 ·
Replies
21
Views
5K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
3K