No More Sunsets: The death of a meth addict

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The discussion centers around the impact of methamphetamine addiction, its societal implications, and personal experiences related to drug use. Participants share anecdotes, opinions on addiction, and reflections on the effectiveness of media portrayals of drug abuse.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express the view that methamphetamine is one of the most destructive drugs, causing rapid deterioration in users' lives.
  • Others argue that addiction is primarily psychological, comparing meth to other substances like cocaine and caffeine, suggesting that withdrawal is manageable.
  • Concerns are raised about the long-term psychological effects of meth use, including recurring hallucinations and permanent mental health issues.
  • Some participants note the prevalence of prescription drugs like Adderall being misused, drawing parallels between these and illicit drugs.
  • There is a discussion about the societal implications of drug use, including the failures of the "war on drugs" and the potential benefits of legalization and education.
  • One participant emphasizes the genetic factors involved in addiction, particularly in relation to meth and opiates, suggesting that exposure poses significant risks.
  • Personal anecdotes highlight the transformative negative effects of drug use on individuals and relationships, with some participants sharing their own experiences with various substances.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views on the nature of addiction, the effectiveness of media portrayals, and the societal response to drug use. There is no consensus on the psychological versus physiological aspects of addiction, nor on the best approaches to address drug-related issues.

Contextual Notes

Some claims rely on personal experiences and anecdotal evidence, which may not represent broader trends or scientific consensus. The discussion includes various assumptions about addiction and societal behavior that remain unexamined.

  • #31
Maybe it was crack. I have no idea. It wasn't weed that's for sure.
 
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  • #32
JasonRox said:
Maybe it was crack. I have no idea. It wasn't weed that's for sure.
There is a huge difference between the two. If it was crack then I can understand your friend being messed up, but that wouldn't be at all normal (as if paying with joints was in the first place :smile:), crack has a very high street value.
 
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  • #33
usahockey said:
A "coke party"? It might be free if your rich college buddies can supply cocaine for everyone I guess, but I can assure you, if there were any free, or incredibly cheap, source of cocaine available, there would be countless numbers of addicts lining up to buy some. And if you give drugs away, you know that you are losing money pretty quickly. I bet this "free" stuff is made with 90% baby powder and ibuprofen or something anyway.

And yes, if you are dumb enough to "lace" a joint with straight coke, nothing will happen...it needs to be in the form of crack/freebase to actually smoke.

Coke only has a high value because of the street and the risk involved with selling it (Law). Its not very hard to make, or harvest. If it was legalised then you could see the price fall drastically. Doesnt mean it would be a good idea, but that's what would happen most probably. Cocaine dealers are actually very pure capitalists, whom ignore even the Law to give to the market what it wants to consume :biggrin:
 
  • #34
I'm not entirely sure the price would fall if things like coke were legal. Governments have this nasty habit of putting incredibly high taxes on things.

Cigarettes are 25-50% tax; you pay maybe $2 tax on a $5 pack of cigarettes to bring the total to $7.
Alcohol is about 10000% tax. I'm basing this on an ethanol-gasoline comparison for price at the pump, it says 95% ethanol is worth about $1.90 per gallon before taxes.
Gasoline is often more than 100% tax. I remember reading an article about gas prices in France where it's about 260% tax.

It might also have something to do with popularity. Caffeine and Taurine pills from GNC are dirt cheap, so I assume there's almost no tax on them. I don't think ephedrine was all that expensive either when it was still legal. If any of these 3 became widespread, it would be reasonable to expect to the price to multiply due to taxes.
 
  • #35
Yeah well you are probably right w/ that one...
 

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