No, you don't need to pick up after yourself!

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http://famulus.msnbc.com/famulusgen/ap02-05-124620.asp?t=apcom&vts=2520061631 [Broken]

Oakland officials are so fed up with fast-food trash that they want to tax the businesses they blame for much of the city's garbage woes, then use the money to clean up the streets.
''It's not fair that the residents have to clean up after a fast-food establishment that's making a profit,'' said Councilwoman Jane Brunner, who proposed the new ordinance. ''A city is judged by how clean it is, and Oakland definitely has a major litter problem. It's time to clean up.''
Because as we all know, customers don't toss trash on the ground, corporations do :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused:
 
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Maybe the idiots should put their trash in the trash cans, and not in the streets to begin with! Remember your thread about debt Pengwuino. This is what I mean by wasting government money.
 
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Maybe the idiots should put their trash in the trash cans, and not in the streets to begin with! Remember your thread about debt Pengwuino. This is what I mean by wasting government money.
This isn't government money though, its the restaurants money being specifically taken away for a specific, stupid stupid stupid reason. Is it just me or is this country coming to a point where no one is allowed to actually blame citizens for anything. Everything the citizen does it is right, they are perfect, governments and corporations are to blame for everything.
 
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What do you think government money is? Its money taken from taxes. And more than likely, that money wont actually go where it was intended. This councilwoman sounds pretty stupid. In maryland, the fine for littering is $1000 bucks, we keep our trash in the trash cans.
 
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Well i treat money differently when its like this, taken from a specific place to be used at a specific time. Money put into a general fund to distribute out i have more leeway with because when, for example, i pay 8% sales tax, i dont really expect it to go to any specific place. I would like to see where this money ACTUALLY goes though too!

I wonder what my uncle says about this. He's ultra-left, ultra-liberal, and even he is disgusted when Oakland does crap like this.
 
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That’s what all politicians tell you until you realize where the money really goes, somewhere it was not originally intended. Another problem with things like this is that after the litter problem has been taken care of, the government isn't going to get rid of that tax bill on the resturants. They will still collect on the now clean streets so they can use the money in other areas. .........................Man, I am salivating for a whopper from burger king with pickles and mayo on it right now...............................
 
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Because as we all know, customers don't toss trash on the ground, corporations do :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused:
I see what you mean. It's like the city government lost their mind and think the actual people doing the littering somehow don't figure in to the equation.

I suppose what's behind that is the unconscious realization of how much harder it would be to police all the people doing the littering, and how much more unpopular that would make them, than it is to blame the restaurants and try to make them handle it.
 
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I think they should have added a 0.001% sales tax or something like that. Traditionally, if a government cant precisely target certain members of the population, they just make it an inconvenience to everyone like some governments are doing with certain OTC medicines such as sudafed or whatever everyone was complaining about a few months ago.
 
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Something I've noticed about clean city sidewalks and streets...they put out lots of trash cans in convenient locations! Littering usually only gets out of hand when people are walking for three blocks with an empty food wrapper without seeing a single trash can, and get tired of carrying it. If there are trash cans on every corner, and they aren't left to overflow, most people will use them. I also always liked it when the trash cans available had two compartments, one for regular trash, and one for recyclables so you didn't feel bad about tossing that soda can or water bottle in the regular trash. Then the only littering left are the infernal cigarette butts. :yuck: I've never understood why it is that you'll see an ashtray outside a building, and the ground around it is still covered with cigarette butts. How hard is it to use the ashtray if you're standing right next to it? :grumpy:
 
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Pengwuino said:
I think they should have added a 0.001% sales tax or something like that. Traditionally, if a government cant precisely target certain members of the population, they just make it an inconvenience to everyone like some governments are doing with certain OTC medicines such as sudafed or whatever everyone was complaining about a few months ago.
If the problem is too common to resolve by putting a few extra cops out to start issuing tickets with sufficient fines to cover the cost of the extra cops and then some, then a general tax would make more sense than targetting just one group of businesses that aren't personally responsible for the littering. Then use the money for more trash cans and more frequent street-cleaning.
 
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It's the Bay area. All those hippies just want to blame the corporations for all their woes. ;-p
 

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