Noise Floor/Device Temperature Problem

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around a problem related to calculating noise power and device temperature in a system involving a low-noise amplifier (LNA) and an antenna. Participants are exploring the implications of their calculations and the assumptions regarding noise temperature.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a calculation using the noise power equation and expresses uncertainty about the feasibility of their result, specifically regarding the LNA temperature.
  • Another participant questions the relevance of the dish's temperature to noise, suggesting that it is a metal sheet with negligible resistance.
  • Several participants propose that the term "antenna temperature" refers to antenna noise temperature rather than physical temperature, indicating a possible misunderstanding of terminology.
  • One participant agrees with the method used in the calculations but does not verify the numerical results.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the interpretation of "antenna temperature" as likely referring to noise temperature, but there is no consensus on the correctness of the calculations or the implications of the dish's temperature on noise.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved assumptions regarding the definitions of temperature in the context of noise and the calculations presented. The discussion does not clarify the relationship between the physical properties of the dish and its contribution to noise.

Who May Find This Useful

Individuals interested in noise analysis in electronic systems, particularly those working with low-noise amplifiers and antenna systems.

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Homework Statement
Please see an attachment below.
Relevant Equations
Pn= 10*log10(kTB)
dBm = dBW - 30 [dB]
Hi everyone, I would like to get some help with the following problem. I'm not sure if my answer is feasible. Thanks.

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My attempt at a solution:

I used the noise power equation: Pn= 10*log10(kTB) and converted the -100 dBm to dBW by subtracting 30 dB to get -130 dBW. Then I tried to find the overall system noise temperaure, T, and then I subtract the antenna temperature to find the temp of the LNA.

Pn= 10*log10(kTB) = Pn= 10*log10(k) + Pn= 10*log10(T) + Pn= 10*log10(B)
-130 dBW= 10*log10(1.38e-23 J/K) + 10*log10(T) + Pn= 10*log10(20e6 Hz)
10*log10(T) = -130 dBW - (-228.6 dB/J/K) - 73 dB/Hz = 25.6 dB/K
T = 10^(25.6/10) = 362.3 K
T_LNA = T - T_antenna = 262.3 K

This seems quite high for LNA device temperature. Could someone help to see if my work is right or if I'm totally off-track or misinterpreting the problem?
 
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Why should the temperature of the dish introduce noise? It is a metal sheet with negligible resistance.
 
Actually 100K is very cold so I think they mean Antenna Noise Temperature, not physical temperature. I think your method is OK but have not checked the numbers.
 
tech99 said:
Actually 100K is very cold so I think they mean Antenna Noise Temperature, not physical temperature. I think your method is OK but have not checked the numbers.
My assumption was antenna noise temp as well. Would you kind as to check if I’m on the right path?
 

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