Non-linear force to linear force equation

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The discussion revolves around the mathematical modeling of a cam design involving a non-linear force acting on a lever. Participants explore the relationship between the lengths of the lever arms and the forces involved, aiming to derive an equation that maintains a constant counter-balancing force despite the non-linearity of the applied force.

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  • One participant seeks an equation for the ratio of lever arm lengths (x/x') that results in a constant counter-balancing force (f').
  • Another participant suggests using moments to relate the forces and lever arms, but questions the implications of equal distances moved by the forces.
  • A different participant points out the circular dependency in finding x and f' simultaneously, proposing that the work done by the non-linear force must equal the work done by the counter-balancing force.
  • Clarifications arise regarding the definition of 'n' and the interpretation of equal distances moved by the forces over time.
  • One participant introduces a specific non-linear function for f(n) and discusses how to maintain equal work output while varying the lever arm ratio.
  • Another participant emphasizes the need for clarity on what the non-linear function depends on, suggesting that it should be defined in terms of time or distance.
  • Confusion is expressed regarding the implications of defining f as a function of n, with a participant clarifying that n is related to time.

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Participants express varying levels of understanding and interpretation of the problem, leading to multiple competing views on how to approach the modeling of the forces and lever arms. No consensus is reached on the correct formulation or interpretation of the relationships involved.

Contextual Notes

Participants note limitations in their understanding of the problem, particularly regarding the definitions of variables and the implications of non-linear forces. There is also uncertainty about the conditions under which the forces and distances are equal.

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I need to design a cam based on the following math problem: A non-linear force f(n) is working on a lever that is x + x' long (x+x'=constant). I need an equation for the ratio, x/x', such that the counter-balancing force, f', is constant (non-varying).

By varying the ratio of f(n) to f', that is ratio=x/x', I should be able to find an equation describing the ratio (r) that provides a non-varying output force f'. The distance that f(n) works through is the same as the distance that f' works through, so work in = work out.

Any help will be greatly appreciated. I don't know quite how to approach this problem.

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Not at all sure I've understood the question, but here goes.
By moments, you have f.x = f'.x'.
x+x' = C, constant.
So f.x = f'(C-x)
(f+f')x = f'.C
x = f'.C/(f+f')
Is that it?
(Didn't get the bit about f and f' moving through the same distance. Since f and f' are not equal, if they move the same distanvce there'll be an energy imbalance. Won't the movements be in the inverse ratio?)
 
Your solution works where both f and f' are known. If you know f' and f you can find x, and then f' = f*x/(C-x). But you need x to find f' and you need f' to find x.

I believe I have found a solution: It is required that the distance traveled for f and f' be equal. Work is equal to force times distance, so if distance is equal and f is a function of n, then the work done by f is \int f(n) dn. This yields a constant value for the area under the curve of f(n). So now the ratio(n) (which is x/x') is equal to(\int f(n) dn)/f(n)*n. Then f'(n) is equal to f(n)*ratio(n), and f'(n) is constant.

The net result is that the ratio varies as f(n) varies to maintain a constant counterbalance force f'.
 
Clearly I have not understood the question - and still don't.
What is n? From your integral it would appear to be the distance through which f has moved at any time. Is that right?
And when you say the two forces move through the same distance, you must mean the same overall distance over a given range, yes? It cannot be true that they have moved the same distance at each instant.
 
A lever that is x+x' long has a force f on one end and a countering force f' on the other end and the fulcrum is at a position determined by x, x'. Say x = x', then the fulcrum is in the center and f must equal f'. This just a simple lever and the distance that f moves will be equal to the distance f' moves.

Now you can vary the relationship between x and x' such that the fulcrum moves to the left or right of center. The ratio x/x' will be equal to the ratio f/f' and the distance each force moves the end of the lever s/s'. Again, simple lever physics.

But let's make f a function (it could be any function) such that f becomes non-linear. Let's say the function (call it 'n') is exponential. In my example, f(n)=(1/n)2. But it could be any function - that part is not important. Just that the force is non-linear. Now, if you have a fixed positon for the fulcrum (that is, x and x' are non-varying) then the countering force f' is simply f(n)*x/x'.

My problem is to find a function so that x/x' becomes non-linear and yields equal work, wf=f*s = wf'=f'*s' and f' is constant and stotal = s'total.

s is not equal to s' at all moments in time since the ratio, x/x', is varying. If area under the curve f(n)(that is, its integral) is made equal to the area under the curve (straight line) for a non-varying f', then work done on both sides will be equal and the total distance traveled on both sides will be equal.
 
f becomes a non-linear function of what? Distance travelled? Time? It means nothing to say f is just 'non-linear'.
Perhaps you mean non-constant, so f = f(t). The ratio x/x' = r(t).
Since f' constant, r(t) = f(t)/f'.
The deltas to distance moved must be in the same ratio: ds = r(t).ds'
(Check: work is conserved at all times: f(t).ds = f'.ds')
The remaining constraint is
∫.ds = ∫.ds' over the range of t. I.e.
∫r(t).ds' = ∫.ds'
We can reparamaterise r as a function of s':
∫r(s').ds' = ∫.ds'
I.e. the average value of r(s') as s' varies is 1.
 
I'm sorry - I did make it more confusing by saying that force f was a function of n where n is a series and f(n)=(1/n)^2. The force does vary as a function of time (time is proportional to n).
 

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