Non-linear function with two unknown constants and one variable

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The discussion revolves around a mathematical problem involving a non-linear function representing the height of a ball thrown upward. Participants explore how to determine the constants in the function based on given conditions, including the initial height and maximum height at a specific time. The scope includes mathematical reasoning and problem-solving techniques relevant to the context of a practice test.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents the function $$h(t) = c - (d - 4t)^2$$ and describes the problem involving the height of a ball thrown upward.
  • Another participant suggests using the initial condition $$h(0) = 6$$ to establish an equation for the constants $$c$$ and $$d$$.
  • Some participants indicate that the problem can be simplified into a system of two linear equations involving the constants.
  • There is a suggestion to find the derivative of $$h(t)$$ to determine the maximum height at $$t = 2.5$$, where the derivative equals zero.
  • One participant expresses confusion about the necessity of calculus for a problem from an SAT practice test, questioning whether knowledge of derivatives is required.
  • Another participant clarifies that understanding derivatives is necessary to solve for the constants and provides a method to derive equations for $$c$$ and $$d$$ based on the maximum height condition.
  • A later reply proposes rewriting the height function in vertex form and directly using the vertex information to find $$h(1)$$.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that the problem involves determining the constants $$c$$ and $$d$$ through mathematical reasoning. However, there is some disagreement regarding the necessity of calculus tools for solving the problem, with some participants suggesting that derivatives are essential while others believe they may not be needed for SAT problems.

Contextual Notes

Participants have not reached a consensus on the best approach to solve for the constants, and there are varying opinions on the relevance of calculus in this context. The discussion includes attempts to derive equations and clarify the use of derivatives without resolving the overall approach to the problem.

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Am am presented with the problem:

$$
h(t) = c - (d - 4t)^2
$$
At time t = 0, a ball was thrown upward from an initial height of 6 feet. Until the ball hit the ground, its height, in feet, after $$t$$ seconds was given by the function $$h$$ above, in which $$c$$ and $$d$$ are positive constants. If the ball reached its maximum height of 106 feet at time $$t = 2.5$$, what was the height, in feet, of the ball at time $$t = 1$$?

The answer I am given is 70, but I don't know how to reach that answer. I've tried to solve for the constants but I keep hitting dead ends. I wish I could give more information other than the graph below but that's all I have. Help would be much appreciated, thanks.

I imagine the function if graphed would look something like this:

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Hi, there

Thankyou for sharing your problem with us at the MHB.

$h(t) = c -(d-4t)^2$

Try to write down $h(0)$: You know from the initial condition, that $h(0) = 6$ (feet)
Then you should consider mathematically the expression at time $t = 2,5$ where the ball reaches its maximum height (i.e. find the derivative of $h(t)$)
 
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Actually, the problem is designed to simplify into solving a system of 2 linear equations in 2 unknowns.
 
lfdahl said:
$h(t) = c -(d-4t)^2$

Try to write down $h(0)$: You know from the initial condition, that $h(0) = 6$ (feet)
Then you should consider mathematically the expression at time $t = 2,5$ where the ball reaches its maximum height (i.e. find the derivative of $h(t)$)

Looks like the ball's height increases by 100 feet over the course of 2.5 seconds. Where do I go from there?
 
ETBunce said:
Looks like the ball's height increases by 100 feet over the course of 2.5 seconds. Where do I go from there?

You still need to find $c$ and $d$, the constants in the expression for $h(t)$.

Therefore, I have asked you to write down the two equations: $h(0) = ...$ and $h'(t=2.5) = 0$

Please give it a try (Wink)
 
lfdahl said:
You still need to find $c$ and $d$, the constants in the expression for $h(t)$.

Therefore, I have asked you to write down the two equations: $h(0) = ...$ and $h'(t=2.5) = 0$

Please give it a try (Wink)

Sorry, I'm confused. Derivatives are used in calculus, right? The problem I am presented with is from a SAT practice test. According to my understanding, I shouldn't need to use calculus tools to solve any of the problems in the SAT.
Should I go learn more about derivatives before trying to solve this problem?
I also have tried working out the equations, and I can't figure out how to solve for $c$ and $d$.
 
ETBunce said:
Sorry, I'm confused. Derivatives are used in calculus, right? The problem I am presented with is from a SAT practice test. According to my understanding, I shouldn't need to use calculus tools to solve any of the problems in the SAT.
Should I go learn more about derivatives before trying to solve this problem?
I also have tried working out the equations, and I can't figure out how to solve for $c$ and $d$.
I´m sorry, I am not familiar with the SAT practice test, but as far as I can see, you do need some knowledge on derivatives of a one-variable function. Anyway, what I was asking you about is the following:

(1). $h(0) = c -(d-4\cdot0)^2 = c-d^2 = 6$

(2). $h'(t) = (-4)\cdot2(d-4t)$ and use $h'(2.5) = 0$ so $d -4\cdot2.5 = 0$

From (2) you can determine $d$. Then you can insert the value for $d$ in (1) and find $c$.

Once you know $c$ and $d$, you can calculate $h(1) = ...$
 
If we write the height function in vertex form:

$$h(t)=-16\left(t-\frac{d}{4}\right)^2+c$$

and observe that we are given the vertex $(2.5,106)$

We then immediately have:

$$h(t)=-16\left(t-2.5\right)^2+106$$

And so what is $h(1)$?
 

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