Non linear system of 4 equations, how to solve it?

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Homework Help Overview

The original poster is working on a set of non-linear equations involving four variables: A_0, A_1, x_0, and x_1. The equations relate these variables through a series of algebraic expressions, and the poster expresses difficulty in finding a method to solve them due to the complexity and the lack of restrictions on the variables.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Some participants suggest using substitution to express one variable in terms of others, and then substituting back into the remaining equations. Others mention the potential use of numerical methods like Newton's method. There is also a mention of using computational tools to find solutions.

Discussion Status

Participants are exploring various methods to approach the problem, including algebraic manipulation and numerical solutions. Some have shared specific algebraic tricks that may simplify the equations, while others have noted the challenges involved in solving the system. There is no explicit consensus on a single method, but several productive ideas have been presented.

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The original poster has indicated that they need exact values for the variables and that they have not yet completed the algebraic work to solve for all four unknowns. There are also discussions about the appropriateness of using external tools for homework assistance.

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Homework Statement


I'm stuck in a problem where I deduced a set of non linear equations. I must solve for [itex]A_0[/itex], A_1[/itex], [itex]x_0[/itex] and [itex]x_1[/itex]. I just don't know how to tackle this.
The system is:
[itex]A_0+A_1=\frac{2}{3}[/itex]
[itex]A_0x_0+A_1x_1=0[/itex]
[itex]A_0x_0^2+A_1x_1^2=\frac{2}{5}[/itex]
[itex]A_0x_0^3+A_1x_1^3=0[/itex].

Homework Equations

No clue.



The Attempt at a Solution


Dead ends. Too many variables, no restriction on these variables except that they must be real. I can't divide any equation by any variable since they can be worth 0, I'm really stuck here.
Thanks for any tip on how to solve this system.
 
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Hi fluidistic! :smile:

The method is: substitution, substitution, substitution.

Use the first equation to express A1 using A0.
Substitute in the other 3 expressions.

Use the new second equation to express A0 using x0 and x1.
Substitute in the new 3rd and 4th expression.

Repeat once more and you'll have solved x0 (or x1).

Use the previous expressions to calculate the other variables.
 
I like Serena said:
Hi fluidistic! :smile:

The method is: substitution, substitution, substitution.

Use the first equation to express A1 using A0.
Substitute in the other 3 expressions.

Use the new second equation to express A0 using x0 and x1.
Substitute in the new 3rd and 4th expression.

Repeat once more and you'll have solved x0 (or x1).

Use the previous expressions to calculate the other variables.
Thanks a lot for this tip. Actually this is very nasty :D
I reached [itex]\frac{2x_0 ^3}{3(x_0-1)}+ \left [ \frac{2}{3}- \frac{2}{3(x_0-1)} \right ] \left ( \pm \sqrt {\frac{\frac{2}{5}-\frac{2x_0 ^2}{3(x_0-1)}}{\frac{2}{3}-\frac{2}{3(x_0-1)}}} \right ) ^3=0[/itex]. I'll continue with this :/
 
Yes, I knew it would be nasty. Didn't want to spoil the surprise. ;)
 
Newton's method perhaps?
 
There is a trick...
Divide the second equation by [itex]A_{0}x_{0}[/itex] to find that:
[tex] \frac{a_{1}x_{1}}{A_{0}x_{0}}=-1[/tex]
Now divide the last equation through by [itex]A_{0}x_{0}[/itex] to find that:
[tex] x_{0}^{2}+\frac{A_{1}x_{1}^{3}}{A_{0}x_{0}}=0=>x_{0}^{2}+\frac{A_{1}x_{1}}{A_{0}x_{0}}x_{1}^{2}=0[/tex]
From here it is pretty much straight forward.
 
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Thanks guys. In fact I need(ed) the exact values and using the values given in Wolfram seems to solve my problem so that the set of equation I've fell over seems right.
By the way I had no time to continue the algebra to solve for the 4 unknowns. At least I know how to do and I know what I did was ok.
So we can consider the problem as solved :)

Edit.: I just read your last post hunt_mat. Wow, nice trick. I instantly get [itex]x_0= \pm x_1[/itex] which indeed simplifies things a lot.
 
I told you how to solve the system. I don't think the idea was to use wolframalpha to do your homework...
 
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hunt_mat said:
I told you how to solve the system. I don't think the idea was to use wolframalpha to do your homework...

Yes sorry, just read your post. (I posted almost in same time as you, as a result I missed the trick). I edited my previous post.
 
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So can you say how [itex]x_{0}[/itex] is related to [itex]x_{1}[/itex]?
 
  • #12
fluidistic said:
Edit.: I just read your last post hunt_mat. Wow, nice trick. I instantly get [itex]x_0= \pm x_1[/itex] which indeed simplifies things a lot.
What can I say to such praise.
 

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