Non-prestigous schools and job opportunities

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the impact of attending a non-prestigious school on job opportunities and graduate school admissions for physics majors. Participants explore the job market for physicists and the importance of research experience in securing positions or further education in the field.

Discussion Character

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  • Conceptual clarification
  • Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether the reputation of the undergraduate institution affects job prospects and graduate school admissions, expressing uncertainty about the job market for physicists outside of high-profile organizations like NASA or CERN.
  • Another participant argues that individual achievements and experiences during undergraduate studies are more critical than the school's name, suggesting that involvement in research and extracurricular activities can enhance graduate school applications.
  • Concerns are raised about the feasibility of taking on multiple classes while working, with one participant questioning the necessity of such a heavy course load.
  • Participants discuss the importance of engaging in research, with suggestions to seek summer research programs or lab opportunities during the academic year to strengthen applications.
  • There is a suggestion to contact professors directly for research opportunities, emphasizing the value of building relationships with faculty for future recommendations.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the importance of school reputation versus individual effort and achievements. There is no consensus on the best approach to securing research opportunities or the necessity of a rigorous course load while working.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include varying definitions of what constitutes a "prestigious" school and the subjective nature of job market conditions for physicists. The discussion does not resolve the complexities of balancing work, study, and research commitments.

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I am currently a Music major at Metropolitan State College of Denver. I am considering switching my major to physics but I am wondering if where you get your bachelor's has an effect on you likely-hood to get a job/go to graduate school. Also, How is the job market for physicists? I don't even know what real job you could get unless you luck out and work for NASA or CERN or JPL or something, are there many other physics jobs out there?
 
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if you go to stateU, get perfect scores on everything, take 8 classes a semester, and cure cancer, MIT will accept you. so the school name doesn't matter, it has to do with what you do while you're there.

if your school doesn't offer undergrad research, make sure you are involved outside of the classroom, and do well enough to get into summer research programs. grad schools want to see you doing professional level research in your chosen field.
 
Grades should be good, not perfect, and I doubt I will cure cancer.

I work and am only able to go to school on loans, so how important is taking 8 classes a semester?
 
Zula110100100 said:
Grades should be good, not perfect, and I doubt I will cure cancer.

I work and am only able to go to school on loans, so how important is taking 8 classes a semester?

the idea is to do as much as you possibly can. . . most undergrads don't work and go to school, especially as a physics student. so try to do some research if your grades are good, that is the best thing you can do for yourself.
 
Do you mean try to do some research as in try to do a summer research program as you mentioned earlier?
 
Zula110100100 said:
Do you mean try to do some research as in try to do a summer research program as you mentioned earlier?

yeah, most students try to get into a lab during the year and work on projects and publish papers, so if you are unable to do that, then you need to at least show an interest in research, and demonstrate an ability in it -- also, these are the profs that you want to write your letters of rec: "steve is a talented student who demonstrated great skill in my lab, he will be a huge asset to your program"

^ this is much better than "steve did well in my class"
 
Oh, so you mean like with the professors of my school. I was under the impression you had to be a little on your way before that. I guess as far as that goes I should just get in contact with the physics dept. at my school?
 
Zula110100100 said:
Oh, so you mean like with the professors of my school. I was under the impression you had to be a little on your way before that. I guess as far as that goes I should just get in contact with the physics dept. at my school?

yeah, and then individual professors to see if they have room for students. i went through a prof and not the department. best thing to do is 1) email everyone asking if they take undergrads; or 2) email the profs who do work you are interested in saying something like "i really love the work you do and am interested in doing graduate research in a similar area later on, do you happen to have any room or projects that i could help you out with?"
 

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