Non-Sinusoidal Standing Waves Existence?

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The discussion revolves around the existence of non-sinusoidal standing waves and whether they can exist alongside sinusoidal standing waves. Participants explore the implications of boundary conditions and the role of Fourier analysis in understanding waveforms of different shapes.

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  • One participant questions if standing waves must be sinusoidal or if non-sinusoidal forms can exist.
  • Another participant mentions that boundary conditions for differential equations, such as Bessel functions for circular shapes, are crucial to the discussion.
  • A participant asks for clarification on what is meant by non-sinusoidal waveforms, suggesting shapes like square or triangular waves.
  • There is a discussion about whether non-sinusoidal waves are composed of sinusoidal waves, with some participants affirming that multiple sinusoidal waves can coexist under the same boundary conditions.
  • One participant notes that standing waves typically occur at a system's resonant frequencies and can be excited by various driving functions, not limited to a single sinusoidal wave.
  • Another participant humorously questions the use of the term "aggressively bowed" in the context of playing a violin string.
  • Concerns are raised about the repetitive nature of the original poster's inquiries, suggesting a need for more context to provide satisfactory answers.

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Participants express differing views on the nature of non-sinusoidal standing waves and the role of Fourier analysis, indicating that multiple competing perspectives remain without a clear consensus.

Contextual Notes

Some participants reference the importance of boundary conditions and Fourier analysis, but the discussion does not resolve the specific conditions under which non-sinusoidal standing waves might exist.

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Looking for evidence and visual demonstrations of non-sinusoidal standing waves.
Hi everyone,

I'm curious if standing waves must be sinusoidal or if they can also be non-sinusoidal. Can anyone point me to videos or simulations of non-sinusoidal standing waves in action?

Thanks!
 
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It's all about the boundary conditions for the DEs, like bessel function for circles, etc.

 
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DaveE said:
It's all about the boundary conditions for the DEs, like bessel function for circles, etc.


Thanks, and what is the special boundary condition that works for sinusoids but not for other shapes?
 
QuantumCuriosity42 said:
Thanks, and what is the special boundary condition that works for sinusoids but not for other shapes?
Are you familiar with Fourier analysis? When you say non-sinusoidal waveforms, what exactly do you mean?
 
berkeman said:
Are you familiar with Fourier analysis? When you say non-sinusoidal waveforms, what exactly do you mean?
Yes I am. I mean any other shape, like a square or triangular wave, which also is a standing wave.
 
QuantumCuriosity42 said:
Yes I am. I mean any other shape, like a square or triangular wave, which also is a standing wave.
But those are composed of sinusoidal waves, no?
 
berkeman said:
But those are composed of sinusoidal waves, no?
Yes, but can multiple sinusoidal waves be stationary at the same time under the same boundary conditions?
 
Typically standing waves occur at a system's resonant frequencies. Those natural responses can be excited by any driving function that contains that frequency. It doesn't have to be just one. Think of a violin string that is aggressively bowed (is that a verb?), it can have multiple harmonics excited as standing waves. But it doesn't sound, or look like a pure sine wave. Which leads us back to @berkeman's question about fourier transforms, and what you really mean by "non-sinusoidal".
 
DaveE said:
aggressively bowed (is that a verb?)
Yes it is, although technically it is a verb phrase; it's a verb modified by an adverb. :smile:
 
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We have three threads on this. OP, are you going to keep asking again and again and again and again and again until you get the answer you want? Maybe if you tell us what this is all about we could provide a more satisfactory response.
 
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Well yeah, there's that. Thread closed for Moderation...
 
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Thread is reopened provisionally.

@QuantumCuriosity42 -- Why are you asking this type of question (repeatedly)? If you understand Fourier Analysis, you should be able to answer this question for yourself.
 

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