Normal force and tension in a pulley system

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The discussion revolves around a pulley system involving a block on a table and a hanging mass. The participants are exploring the normal force, tension in the string, and the acceleration of the block, while considering the effects of an applied force at an angle.

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  • Participants are attempting to derive the normal force and tension using equations involving gravitational forces and applied forces. There are questions about the correct application of trigonometric functions in free body diagrams and the relationship between tension and acceleration.

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Block M(15.7kg) is on a horizontal table initially moving to the left because it is connected to a mass m(8.2kg) hanging vertically off of the edge of the table (left hand side of the table). A force F, with a magnitude of 75.3N, acts on M directed at an angle of 35.0 degrees above the horizontal( to the right hand side of the table). There is no friction and the pulley and string are massless.

a)What is the normal force (N) on M?

Fn=mg-75.3*sin(35.0)-T
Fn-15.7-43.19-52.79
Fn=-80.28?

Or would I first subtract both of the forces acting on M T-F=52.79-43.19=9.6 Fn=15.7-9.6=6.1

b)What is the tension in the string

The tension origionally is 52.79 without the force acting on M would it now be 9.6

c)What is the acceleration of M

d) Is the speed of M increasing or decreasing?
 
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waldvocm said:
a)What is the normal force (N) on M?

Fn=mg-75.3*sin(35.0)-T

You do not show a diagram, but if I understand the problem correctly, the tension is a horizontal force while the normal force is in the vertical direcction. They do not belong in the same equation. Draw a free body diagram.
 
Fn=mg-75.3*sin(35.0)
Fn=110.67

b) ax=m2g/m1+m2=8.2*9.80/15.7+8.2 a=3.36
T=m1*a T=52.79

c) how do I find the acceleration?
 
Your expression for the normal force is correct.

T = m1a is incorrect. The net force in the horizontal direction must include the horizontal component of force F which could be positive or negative depending on the direction of F. You will also need an equation for the hanging mass. This will give you two equations and two unknowns.
 
do I use (may)=T cos(35.0)-mg and (max)=T sin(theta)

I am confused about sin and cos in the free body diagrams. It seems before that sin was used for y and cos for x. Why is it the other way around in the free body diagrams?

The Ts in both equations are equal to each other. So I am to somehow solve for T?
 

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