Normal on a mass have different values at pole and equator

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The discussion revolves around the differences in normal force experienced by a mass at the poles versus the equator due to the Earth's rotation. It involves concepts of circular motion, centripetal force, and free-body diagrams, exploring the forces acting on a mass in these two locations.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that understanding circular motion and centripetal force is essential to explain the differing normal forces at the poles and equator.
  • One participant proposes drawing free-body diagrams for a mass at both the equator and the pole to analyze the forces acting on the mass.
  • It is noted that at the equator, the normal force is influenced by the centripetal force required for circular motion, leading to a different expression for normal force compared to the pole.
  • Another participant claims that there is no centripetal force acting on the mass at the pole, as it is not in circular motion, suggesting that the normal force equals the gravitational force there.
  • Some participants discuss whether the normal force is greater at the poles or the equator, with one asserting that the normal force at the equator is the difference between gravitational force and centripetal force, while at the pole, it is equal to the weight of the mass.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the calculations and implications of normal force at the poles and equator. There is no consensus on which location experiences a greater normal force, as participants present competing interpretations of the forces involved.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions regarding the definitions of forces and the conditions of motion at the equator and pole may not be fully articulated, leading to potential ambiguities in the discussion.

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why does the normal on a mass have different values at pole and equator
 
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This requires an understanding of circular motion and centripetal force. Draw out a free-body diagram as such:

- A circle representing the Earth;
- A rectangular block representing a man (or any mass) standing at the equator;

Recognize that the Earth is spinning about an axis passing through its centre, then think about what are the forces acting on the man?
What is/are the force(s) contributing to the centripetal acceleration of the man such that he can travel in a circular motion around the Earth's equator?
Finally, write out an equation relating the forces with the centripetal force (as the net force). Rearrange the terms of the equation such that you get:
N = ...

Now do the same but replace the man at the equator with another rectangular block at the pole. Again, find an expression N = ...

Compare the two expressions for N and you shall see why the normal contact force is different at the poles and at the equator.
 
JeremyG said:
This requires an understanding of circular motion and centripetal force. Draw out a free-body diagram as such:

- A circle representing the Earth;
- A rectangular block representing a man (or any mass) standing at the equator;

Recognize that the Earth is spinning about an axis passing through its centre, then think about what are the forces acting on the man?
What is/are the force(s) contributing to the centripetal acceleration of the man such that he can travel in a circular motion around the Earth's equator?
Finally, write out an equation relating the forces with the centripetal force (as the net force). Rearrange the terms of the equation such that you get:
N = ...

Now do the same but replace the man at the equator with another rectangular block at the pole. Again, find an expression N = ...

Compare the two expressions for N and you shall see why the normal contact force is different at the poles and at the equator.
This is what I got!
No centripetal force on the mass at the pole as normal is equal to the gravitational force since the mass isn't orbiting in a circle! Its actually revolving around itself!
Right?
 
Correct. And what about the situation where the man is standing at the equator?

And finally, where is the normal contact force the greatest? The poles or the equator?
 
JeremyG said:
Correct. And what about the situation where the man is standing at the equator?

And finally, where is the normal contact force the greatest? The poles or the equator?
At the equator the normal is equal to the difference between the gravitational force and the centripetal force.
At the pole, normal is equal to weight and so normal is greater at the pole?
 
Very good. :)
 
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JeremyG said:
Very good. :)
Thanks a million Jeremy!
 

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