Normal Operator Proof: Proving ##T \in L(V)## is Normal

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The discussion revolves around proving that an operator ##T \in L(V)## is normal if and only if ##||T(v)|| = ||T^*(v)||## for all vectors ##v## in the vector space ##V##. The participants explore the definitions and properties of normal operators and self-adjoint operators in the context of linear algebra.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to prove the equivalence by starting from the assumption that ##T## is normal and deriving the norm equality. They also suggest a reverse approach starting from the norm equality to prove normality.
  • Some participants question the validity of using a specific property of self-adjoint operators in their reasoning, particularly regarding the implications of the assumption that ##T=0##.
  • Others discuss the implications of the self-adjoint nature of the operator ##TT^* - T^*T## and how it relates to the inner product and the resulting equations.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing insights and questioning the assumptions made in the proofs. There is a recognition of the need to clarify the reasoning behind using certain properties of self-adjoint operators, and some participants are exploring different lines of reasoning without reaching a consensus.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the assumptions and definitions of normal and self-adjoint operators are crucial to the discussion, and there is some confusion regarding the application of specific properties in the proof attempts.

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Normal Operator Proof

Homework Statement



Prove an operator ##T \in L(V)## is normal ##⇔ ||T(v)|| = ||T^*(v)||##.

Homework Equations



(1) ##T \in L(V)## is normal if ##TT^*= T^*T##.

(2) If T is a self-adjoint operator on V such that ##<T(v), v> = 0, \space \forall v \in V##, then ##T=0##.

The Attempt at a Solution



##"\Rightarrow"## Assume ##T## is normal (1) :

##TT^*= T^*T##
##TT^* - T^*T = 0##

Now using (2) we can write :

##<(TT^* - T^*T)(v), v> = 0, \space \forall v \in V##

Using some inner product rules yields :

##<T^*T(v), v> = <TT^*(v), v>, \space \forall v \in V##
##||T(v)||^2 = ||T^*(v)||^2, \space \forall v \in V##
##||T(v)|| = ||T^*(v)||, \space \forall v \in V##


##"\Leftarrow"## : The proof will be exactly as above, except I start at ##||T(v)|| = ||T^*(v)||## and I finish at ##TT^*= T^*T## I believe?
 
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TT ∗ −T ∗ T=0

Now using (2) we can write :

<(TT ∗ −T ∗ T)(v),v>=0, ∀v∈V

You cannot use (2) here since T=0 is not the assumption rather the result.
 
ulyj said:
You cannot use (2) here since T=0 is not the assumption rather the result.

This confused me a bit, I used (2) because ##TT^* - T^*T## is a self adjoint operator.

Using the fact it is self adjoint, and that ##TT^* - T^*T = 0##, I could choose any vector in ##V## and still get a result of zero.
 
Zondrina said:
This confused me a bit, I used (2) because ##TT^* - T^*T## is a self adjoint operator.

Using the fact it is self adjoint, and that ##TT^* - T^*T = 0##, I could choose any vector in ##V## and still get a result of zero.

The result is right, what I'm pointing out is the reason for why the result holds. From what I understand, you didn't use (2) to deduce that ##<(TT^* - T^*T)(v), v> = 0, \space \forall v \in V##
 

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