Normal subgroup of a product of simple groups

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In the discussion, the problem involves proving that every proper normal subgroup K of the group G = G1 x G2, where G1 and G2 are simple groups, is isomorphic to either G1 or G2. The initial attempt identifies that the intersections of K with G1 x {1} and {1} x G2 are normal and can only be trivial or isomorphic to G1 or G2. A suggestion is made to analyze three cases based on the nature of these intersections to reach a conclusion about K. The conversation concludes with the realization that this approach clarifies the solution to the problem. Understanding the structure of normal subgroups in products of simple groups is crucial for solving this exercise.
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Homework Statement



This is an exercise from Jacobson Algebra I, which has me stumped.
Let G = G1 x G2 be a group, where G1 and G2 are simple groups.
Prove that every proper normal subgroup K of G is isomorphic to G1 or G2.

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The Attempt at a Solution


Certainly the intersection of K with G1 x {1} is normal, and so is isomorphic to the trivial group {1} or to G1. Similarly, the intersection of K with {1} x G2 is isomorphic to {1} or G2. But anyway this falls well short of a solution.

Thanks,

John

 
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Well, you've basically got it. Try each of the three cases... if both intersections are trivial, then what is K? If both intersections are the full group, then what is K? And if only one intersection is trivial, what is K?
 
Thank you. It's now clear.
 
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