Normal subgroups of a product of simple groups

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The discussion revolves around the properties of normal subgroups within the direct product of two simple groups, specifically examining the structure of such subgroups in the context of group theory.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the nature of normal subgroups in the product of simple groups, questioning the validity of certain subgroup forms and considering the implications of the first isomorphism theorem.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging with the problem, raising questions about the implications of normal subgroups and the role of simplicity in their structure. Some have suggested examining quotient groups and their relationships to the original groups, while others are reflecting on the requirements for normality in this context.

Contextual Notes

There is an emphasis on understanding the specific characteristics of simple groups and how they influence the existence and nature of normal subgroups. The discussion also highlights potential gaps in knowledge regarding the implications of the normal subgroup structure.

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Homework Statement


Let G = G1 × G2 be the direct product of two simple groups. Prove that every normal subgroup of G is isomorphic to G, G1, G2, or the trivial subgroup.

The Attempt at a Solution


I tried proving that the normal subgroups would have to be of the form Normal subgroup X Normal subgroup. However, that's false because, e.g., <(1,1)> is a normal subgroup of the Klein four-group.
 
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Consider the quotients ##(G_1\times G_2)/ G_1## and ##(G_1\times G_2)/ G_2##.
 
I tried looking at the 1st isomorphism theorem with φ: (projection onto G1), but I didn't get anywhere. Clearly the quotient groups that micromass gives are homomorphic to the simple groups ... But how would that fact lead to the conclusion that no other subgroups can exist?

I feel like I could make more progress if I understood the difference that the "simple" requirement makes ...
 
So you have an isomorphism ##\varphi: (G_1\times G_2)/(G_1\times \{e\}) \rightarrow G_2##. Take a normal subgroup ##N## of ##G_1\times G_2##. Look at ##\varphi(N)##. Is this normal?
 

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