Normalised wavefunction to calculate the expectation

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The discussion revolves around the necessity of using normalized wavefunctions for calculating expectation values and probabilities in quantum mechanics. Participants explore the implications of normalization on the calculation of expectation values and the interpretation of results.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that the probability of finding a particle must sum to one, implying the need for normalization.
  • Others mention that expectation values can be calculated using unnormalized wavefunctions, referencing the measurement postulate and the formula for expectation values.
  • A participant notes that normalization can be performed either beforehand or as part of the expectation value calculation, suggesting that it is an inherent part of the process.
  • One participant elaborates on the mathematical process of taking expectation values, emphasizing the role of normalization in interpreting the results of the dot product between wavefunctions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the necessity of normalization for expectation value calculations. While some argue it is essential, others contend that unnormalized wavefunctions can still yield valid results.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved aspects regarding the implications of using unnormalized wavefunctions and the conditions under which normalization is considered necessary. The discussion does not reach a consensus on these points.

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Do we have to use normalised wavefunction to calculate the expectation and probability of finding the particle? If yes, why?
 
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The probabiliity of the particle being anywhere must be one.
 


I know about it, but I have seen using normalised wavefunction in calculating the expectation only so?
 


roshan2004 said:
I know about it, but I have seen using normalised wavefunction in calculating the expectation only so?

The measurement postulate defines the expectation value of an arbitrary Hermitian operator A for an arbitrary wavefunction [tex]\Psi[/tex] as:

[tex]<A>=\frac{<\Psi|\hat{A}|\Psi>}{<\Psi|\Psi>}[/tex]

this is valid for all wavefunctions, including unnormalized ones. If the wavefunction is normalized, the integral in the denominator is just 1, so you only need the numerator.
 
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Of course, the denominator is just the normalization integral. So one way or another, you end up normalizing the wave function. Either you or somebody else does it beforehand, or you do it as part of finding the expectation value.
 


To take the expectation value of an operator you first act on the function (quantum state) with the operator, which gives you a new function. Then you dot the new function with the original function to see how much of the new function is linear with the original function. If you think of the functions as vectors this is how much the new vector lies along the original vector.

However the dot product could have any amplitude if the function is not normalized, which is not of much interest. If we then normalize the result or start with a normalized function then a result of 1 means the new vector is linear with the original vector and 0 means it is orthogonal. And everything in between 0 and 1 means there is a percentage that is linear and orthogonal and we know exactly what that is.
 
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