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The discussion revolves around the normalization of a spin state represented as a two-component complex vector in the context of quantum mechanics, specifically involving the Pauli matrices and spin operators.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants explore the idea of normalizing a spin state by considering it as a complex vector and questioning the appropriateness of using spatial wave function integrals for this purpose.
  • Some participants suggest calculating the norm of the spin state using the inner product rather than integration, while others raise concerns about treating the spin state like a regular vector.
  • There is a discussion about the correct method for finding the normalization constant, with references to the inner product and the need for complex conjugation.

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Participants note that the problem does not involve a spatial wave function, which affects the normalization approach. There is also mention of the need to consider complex conjugates when calculating norms.

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Homework Statement
Given the Spin Operator $$\hat{\vec{S}}=\frac{\hbar}{2}\hat{\vec{\sigma}}$$ with the Pauli matrices $$\hat{\vec{\sigma}}$$ calculate the Normalizationconstant A for the given Spinstate $$\chi$$
Relevant Equations
$$\chi=A\begin{pmatrix}
3i\\
4
\end{pmatrix}$$

$$\sigma_x=\begin{pmatrix}
0 & 1\\
1 & 0
\end{pmatrix}$$

$$\sigma_y=\begin{pmatrix}
0 & -i\\
i & 0
\end{pmatrix}$$

$$\sigma_z=\begin{pmatrix}
1 & 0\\
0 &-1
\end{pmatrix}$$
I don't really know where to begin.
1. idea: For a spatial wave funtion I'd have to calculate the integral over dxdydz for -inf to +inf. But that doesn't seem very reasonable to me here.
$$\int \chi dxdydz=\int A\begin{pmatrix}
3i\\
4
\end{pmatrix} dxdydz$$

Do have to substitute dxdydz with something and get the pauli matrizes involved?

2. idea: If I treat the spinstate like a regular vector the norm would just be $$\sqrt{3i^2+4^2}=\sqrt{16-9}=\sqrt{5}$$. But can I treat a spinstate like this?
 
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Anton02 said:
Homework Statement: Given the Spin Operator $$\hat{\vec{S}}=\frac{\hbar}{2}\hat{\vec{\sigma}}$$ with the Pauli matrices $$\hat{\vec{\sigma}}$$ calculate the Normalizationconstant A for the given Spinstate $$\chi$$
Relevant Equations: $$\chi=A\begin{pmatrix}
3i\\
4
\end{pmatrix}$$

$$\sigma_x=\begin{pmatrix}
0 & 1\\
1 & 0
\end{pmatrix}$$

$$\sigma_y=\begin{pmatrix}
0 & -i\\
i & 0
\end{pmatrix}$$

$$\sigma_z=\begin{pmatrix}
1 & 0\\
0 &-1
\end{pmatrix}$$

I don't really know where to begin.
1. idea: For a spatial wave funtion I'd have to calculate the integral over dxdydz for -inf to +inf. But that doesn't seem very reasonable to me here.
$$\int \chi dxdydz=\int A\begin{pmatrix}
3i\\
4
\end{pmatrix} dxdydz$$

Do have to substitute dxdydz with something and get the pauli matrizes involved?
That is a bizarre idea!
Anton02 said:
2. idea: If I treat the spinstate like a regular vector the norm would just be $$\sqrt{3i^2+4^2}=\sqrt{16-9}=\sqrt{5}$$. But can I treat a spinstate like this?
Why not?
 
You should review how to deal with a complex vector space. The norm of given state isn't ##\sqrt 5##.
 
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Anton02 said:
Homework Statement: Given the Spin Operator $$\hat{\vec{S}}=\frac{\hbar}{2}\hat{\vec{\sigma}}$$ with the Pauli matrices $$\hat{\vec{\sigma}}$$ calculate the Normalizationconstant A for the given Spinstate $$\chi$$
Relevant Equations: $$\chi=A\begin{pmatrix}
3i\\
4
\end{pmatrix}$$

$$\sigma_x=\begin{pmatrix}
0 & 1\\
1 & 0
\end{pmatrix}$$

$$\sigma_y=\begin{pmatrix}
0 & -i\\
i & 0
\end{pmatrix}$$

$$\sigma_z=\begin{pmatrix}
1 & 0\\
0 &-1
\end{pmatrix}$$

I don't really know where to begin.
1. idea: For a spatial wave funtion I'd have to calculate the integral over dxdydz for -inf to +inf. But that doesn't seem very reasonable to me here.
$$\int \chi dxdydz=\int A\begin{pmatrix}
3i\\
4
\end{pmatrix} dxdydz$$

Do have to substitute dxdydz with something and get the pauli matrizes involved?

2. idea: If I treat the spinstate like a regular vector the norm would just be $$\sqrt{3i^2+4^2}=\sqrt{16-9}=\sqrt{5}$$. But can I treat a spinstate like this?
Several problems with this.

One for normalizing you take the inner product it doesnt necessarily have to involve Integration. Since there’s no spatial wavefunction you shouldnt integrate in this case of just a spin state just take the inner product of the spin state χ with itself. Also for the magnitude its necessary to multiply by the complex conjugate to get the normalization constant squared then divide by A.
 
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Of course for a two-component vector (or rather a Weyl spinor) the scalar product of course reads
$$\langle \psi|\phi \rangle=\psi_1^* \phi_1 + \psi_2^* \phi_2,$$
and thus
$$\langle \psi|\psi \rangle=|\psi_1|^2 + |\psi_2|^2.$$
Now it should make more sense.
 
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