Expectation Values of Spin Operators

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The discussion revolves around calculating the expectation values of spin operators \( S_{x} \), \( S_{y} \), and \( S_{z} \) in quantum mechanics. The original poster presents their attempts to compute these values using a given state vector and the corresponding spin matrices.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • The original poster attempts to compute the expectation values using integrals and matrix multiplication but expresses uncertainty about the correctness of their calculations, particularly for \( \langle S_{z} \rangle \). Some participants question the use of integrals in this context and suggest clarifying the representation of vectors. Others inquire about the definition of the wave function involved.

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Participants are actively engaging with the original poster's calculations, providing feedback on the mathematical setup and questioning assumptions regarding the use of integrals versus matrix operations. There is no explicit consensus on the correctness of the calculations, but guidance has been offered regarding the representation of vectors and the nature of the calculations.

Contextual Notes

There is a noted confusion regarding the application of integrals in the context of matrix operations, as well as the proper definition and representation of the wave function. The original poster's calculations are based on a specific setup that may not align with conventional approaches in quantum mechanics.

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[SOLVED] Expectation Values of Spin Operators

Homework Statement


b) Find the expectation values of [tex]S_{x}, S_{y}, and S_{z}[/tex]


Homework Equations


From part a)
[tex]X = A \begin{pmatrix}3i \\ 4 \end{pmatrix}[/tex]

Which was found to be: [tex]A = \frac{1}{5}[/tex]

[tex]S_{x} = \begin{pmatrix}0 & 1 \\ 1 & 0 \end{pmatrix}[/tex]

[tex]S_{y} = \begin{pmatrix}0 & -i \\ i & 0 \end{pmatrix}[/tex]

[tex]S_{z} = \begin{pmatrix}1 & 0 \\ 0 & -1 \end{pmatrix}[/tex]

The Attempt at a Solution


I have it setup as:

[tex]\left\langle S_{x}\right\rangle = \int^{\infty}_{-\infty}X^{*}S_{x}X \Rightarrow[/tex]

[tex]\int^{\infty}_{-\infty}X^{*} \frac{\hbar}{2} \begin{pmatrix}0 & 1 \\ 1 & 0 \end{pmatrix} \begin{pmatrix}\frac{3i}{5} \\ \frac{4}{5} \end{pmatrix}\Rightarrow[/tex]

[tex]\int^{\infty}_{-\infty}\frac{\hbar}{2}\begin{pmatrix}\frac{-3i}{5} \\ \frac{4}{5} \end{pmatrix} \frac{\hbar}{2} \begin{pmatrix}\frac{3i}{5} \\ \frac{4}{5} \end{pmatrix} \Rightarrow[/tex]

[tex]\int^{\infty}_{-\infty}\frac{\hbar^{2}}{4}\left[\frac{-12i}{25} + \frac{12i}{25} \right] \Rightarrow 0[/tex]

[tex]\left\langle S_{y}\right\rangle = \int^{\infty}_{-\infty}X^{*}S_{y}X \Rightarrow[/tex]

[tex]\int^{\infty}_{-\infty}X^{*} \frac{\hbar}{2} \begin{pmatrix}0 & -i \\ i & 0 \end{pmatrix} \begin{pmatrix}\frac{3i}{5} \\ \frac{4}{5} \end{pmatrix}\Rightarrow[/tex]

[tex]\int^{\infty}_{-\infty}\frac{\hbar}{2} \begin{pmatrix}\frac{-3i}{5} \\ \frac{4}{5} \end{pmatrix} \begin{pmatrix}\frac{4i}{5} \\ \frac{-3}{5} \end{pmatrix} \frac{\hbar}{2} \Rightarrow[/tex]

[tex]\int^{\infty}_{-\infty}\frac{\hbar^{2}}{4}\left[\frac{12i}{25} - \frac{12i}{25} \right] \Rightarrow 0[/tex]

[tex]\left\langle S_{z}\right\rangle = \int^{\infty}_{-\infty}X^{*}S_{z}X \Rightarrow[/tex]

[tex]\int^{\infty}_{-\infty}X^{*} \frac{\hbar}{2} \begin{pmatrix}1 & 0 \\ 0 & -1 \end{pmatrix} \begin{pmatrix}\frac{3i}{5} \\ \frac{4}{5} \end{pmatrix}\Rightarrow[/tex]

[tex]\int^{\infty}_{-\infty}\frac{\hbar}{2} \begin{pmatrix}\frac{-3i}{5} \\ \frac{4}{5} \end{pmatrix} \begin{pmatrix}\frac{3i}{5} \\ \frac{-4}{5} \end{pmatrix} \frac{\hbar}{2} \Rightarrow[/tex]

[tex]\int^{\infty}_{-\infty}\frac{\hbar^{2}}{4}\left[\frac{9}{25} - \frac{16}{25} \right] \Rightarrow \frac{-7\hbar^{2}}{100}[/tex]

The first two seem like they're fine; but the last one doesn't seem right. Now if it was:

[tex]\int^{\infty}_{-\infty}\frac{\hbar^{2}}{4}\left[\frac{9}{25} + \frac{16}{25} \right] \Rightarrow \frac{\hbar^{2}}{4}[/tex]

Then that would at least seem to be in the right direction. So what am I missing?
 
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Where do you get your second factor of [itex]\hbar /2[/itex] from? Also, you need to throw away the integrals and write the bra as a row vector (not a column vector).
 
Oh, you're right, it's just [tex]S_{x}[/tex], not [tex]S_{x}^{2}[/tex]. Thanks. And I'll change the vectors (on my homework); but is the rest correct then?
 
Yes, but there are no integrals involved when you use matrices.
 


how is the wave function defined?
also don't confuse with matrices and integrals
 

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