Normalized Eigenvectors of a Hermitian operator

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The discussion revolves around finding the eigenvalues and eigenvectors of a given Hermitian operator represented by a 2x2 matrix. The operator is defined in terms of parameters a and b, which are functions of r and φ. Participants are tasked with demonstrating that the normalized quantum states correspond to specific eigenvectors.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the calculation of eigenvalues using the determinant method and express uncertainty about the correctness of their eigenvector calculations. There are attempts to derive relationships between the components of the eigenvectors and questions about normalization.

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Some participants have provided feedback on the eigenvector calculations, suggesting that there may be errors. Others are exploring the implications of choosing different multiples of eigenvectors and discussing normalization. The conversation reflects a mix of attempts and clarifications without reaching a definitive conclusion.

Contextual Notes

There is mention of specific constraints regarding the normalization of eigenvectors and the need to verify the correctness of the provided eigenvector forms. Participants are also navigating the implications of the relationships between the parameters involved.

Lindsayyyy
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Hi all

Homework Statement



Given is a Hermitian Operator H
H= \begin{pmatrix}<br /> a &amp; b \\<br /> b &amp; -a <br /> \end{pmatrix}

where as a=rcos \phi , b=rsin \phi

I shall find the Eigen values as well as the Eigenvectors. Furthermore I shall show that the normalized quantum states are:

\mid + \rangle =\begin{pmatrix}<br /> \frac{cos \phi}{2} \\<br /> \frac{sin \phi}{2}<br /> \end{pmatrix}

and

\mid - \rangle =\begin{pmatrix}<br /> \frac{-sin \phi}{2} \\<br /> \frac{cos \phi}{2}<br /> \end{pmatrix}

I know that: \frac {tan \phi}{2} = \frac {1-cos \phi}{sin \phi}



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The Attempt at a Solution



I calculated the Eigen values vie the determinant (=0) (let's call them lambda). I think I did that right and the solutions are:
\lambda_1=r ,\lambda_2=-r

Furthermore I calculated two Eigenvectors. I have something like an inner product

from H times a vector, so I just swapped the two entries and put a minus in front of one. My two Eigenvectors are:



\vec v_1 =\begin{pmatrix}<br /> -rsin \phi \\<br /> rcos \phi - r<br /> \end{pmatrix}<br /> <br /> \vec v_2 =\begin{pmatrix}<br /> -rsin \phi \\<br /> rcos \phi + r<br /> \end{pmatrix}

I calculated the norm which is
||v_1||^2 = 2r^2(1-cos \phi)

But now I'm stuck. I don't get the solution I should get. Did I do something wrong?

Thanks for your help.
 
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Lindsayyyy said:
I know that: \frac {tan \phi}{2} = \frac {1-cos \phi}{sin \phi}
Don't know if it helps any, but that should read tan \frac {\phi}{2} = \frac {1-cos \phi}{sin \phi}
 
Something looks wrong with your eigenvectors. Try working on them again / show your work.
 
I'm in a hurry. Thanks for your help guys. I'll post tomorrow how I calculated my eigenvectors.

@haruspex

Thanks for that info, it wasn't clear on the sheet where that /2 belongs to. The vectors + and - which are given are also wrong then, it should be sin(phi/2) etc I guess then.
 
Lindsayyyy said:
I'm in a hurry. Thanks for your help guys. I'll post tomorrow how I calculated my eigenvectors.

@haruspex

Thanks for that info, it wasn't clear on the sheet where that /2 belongs to. The vectors + and - which are given are also wrong then, it should be sin(phi/2) etc I guess then.
Yup...the original eigenvectors you were supposed to prove seemed kind of dubious as they arent normalised.
 
Well, my attempt was totally wrong. But I'm stuck now.

I try to find the Eigenvector for the Eigenvalue r

I have:

\begin{pmatrix}<br /> rcos \phi &amp; rsin \phi \\<br /> rsin \phi &amp; -rcos \phi <br /> \end{pmatrix} \begin{pmatrix}<br /> x \\<br /> y<br /> \end{pmatrix}=\begin{pmatrix}<br /> 0 \\<br /> 0 <br /> \end{pmatrix}

When I try to solve this I come to:

xrcos \phi -xr +yrsin \phi = 0 \\<br /> xrsin \phi -yrcos \phi -yr= 0

Furthermore I come to:

x= y \frac{sin \phi}{1-cos\phi}

aswell as
y= x\frac{sin \phi}{cos\phi +1}

My problem is the following: I don't know what my x and y are and I can't solve it properly. I'm stuck. Did I do it right thus far? And what to do next?

Thanks for your help
 
Lindsayyyy said:
Furthermore I come to:
x= y \frac{sin \phi}{1-cos\phi}
Well that's it! In general, there is no unique eigenvector - if |+> is an eigenvector of the matrix, then clearly any multiple of |+> too is a possible eigenvector.

So, our generalised eigenvector (for eigenvalue r) is
<br /> \left(\begin{matrix} \frac{sin \phi}{1-cos\phi} \\ 1 \end{matrix}\right)<br /> \equiv \left(\begin{matrix} sin \phi \\ 1-cos\phi \end{matrix}\right)<br /> \equiv \left(\begin{matrix} 2 sin \frac{\phi}{2} cos \frac{\phi}{2} \\ 2 sin^{2}\frac{\phi}{2} \end{matrix}\right)<br /> \equiv \left(\begin{matrix} cos \frac{\phi}{2} \\ sin \frac{\phi}{2} \end{matrix}\right)<br />
where we recognise that the final eigenvector is normalised.
(you could of course simply normalise the first eigenvector and arrive at the same result)
 
So you just chose your y as one because you say any multiplied vector to the eigenvector is one eigenvector aswell?

Thanks for the help everyone.

The task was to show that the normalized eigenvectors are the given ones. I did it just with the equation

H*ev=lambda*ev (ev=eigenvector)

but I wanted to know the other way around, because this looks more elegant to me^^.
 
Yup, it doesn't matter which multiple of the eigenvector I choose to use. After normalising, I will still end up with the same normalised eigenvector.
 
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Ok, I think I understand it a bit better now. Thanks for your help again
 

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