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The discussion revolves around the failed satellite launch by North Korea, examining the implications for the country's propaganda efforts, public perception, and the technical challenges associated with such launches. Participants express a mix of skepticism, humor, and concern regarding North Korea's capabilities and the impact on its citizens.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants note that the failed launch is a setback for North Korea's propaganda efforts, suggesting that the public may not be aware of the failure.
  • There is a belief among some that the North Korean public may think the country has successfully launched satellites in the past, supported by museum exhibits showcasing "successful" launches.
  • Some argue that while rocket science is challenging, countries that reach the launch attempt stage typically succeed eventually, implying that North Korea may be close to achieving this goal despite failures.
  • Others raise concerns about the technical difficulties of launching from North Korea's latitude, suggesting that payload mass and desired orbit type could complicate future attempts.
  • A participant highlights the significant financial resources required for the launch attempt, comparing it to the cost of feeding the entire North Korean population for a year, although the credibility of this claim is questioned.
  • There is a discussion about the nature of the museum in North Korea, with some suggesting it was designed for tourists rather than locals.
  • One participant mentions that the first attempts at launching a satellite often fail, but this does not necessarily indicate a lack of progress towards a final product.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views, with no clear consensus on the implications of the launch failure or the capabilities of North Korea. Some agree on the challenges faced by the country, while others emphasize differing perspectives on public perception and the future of North Korean missile technology.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved assumptions regarding the public's awareness of the launch failure, the credibility of financial comparisons, and the technical feasibility of future launches from North Korea.

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http://worldnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/04/12/11168783-north-korea-rocket-breaks-up-after-much-touted-launch?lite

PYONGYANG, North Korea -- North Korea's long-range rocket failed early Friday, U.S. officials said, calling it a blow for the reclusive state's propaganda efforts.

The rocket broke up about 90 seconds after taking off, an official told NBC News...

NORAD, the North American Aerospace Defense Command, said the rocket's first stage fell into the sea and two other stages failed.

Okay, we can go back to laughing at North Korea again.
 
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It is rather a downer for N Korea.
 
Evo said:
It is rather a downer for N Korea.

Not that their citizens are aware of it. They'll just say "what launch?"
 
mege said:
Not that their citizens are aware of it. They'll just say "what launch?"
True.
 
I have recently come under the impression that the public believes NK has already put satellites into orbit years ago.
 
I am glad, as we don't want the NKs having the ability to launch a long-range missile.
 
Pengwuino said:
I have recently come under the impression that the public believes NK has already put satellites into orbit years ago.

This is true, I toured a museum there and they had a large room filled with photos of "successful" "satellite" launches.
 
Was that museum built for North Koreans or was it built for you?
 
Pengwuino said:
http://worldnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/04/12/11168783-north-korea-rocket-breaks-up-after-much-touted-launch?lite

Okay, we can go back to laughing at North Korea again.
CNN said:
U.S.–North Korea relations recently enjoyed 16 optimistic days: between February 29, when Pyongyang signed the “Leap Day” arms control agreement with the United States, and March 16, when it announced plans to conduct the very kind of rocket launch that it had just forsworn.
http://globalpublicsquare.blogs.cnn.com/2012/04/12/why-north-korea-gets-away-with-it/?hpt=hp_t1

Who's laughing at who?

And here's what happens next: Over the next few weeks we will affirm for Baby Kim that like his father, he's the Most Powerful Man in the World (reclaiming the throne NK temporarily lost to Bashar Assad), dooming the North Korean people to two more generations of famine and poverty and South Koreans to two more generations of living in his shadow. Hilarious stuff.
 
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Pengwuino said:
http://worldnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/04/12/11168783-north-korea-rocket-breaks-up-after-much-touted-launch?lite



Okay, we can go back to laughing at North Korea again.

For a while. Most countries that try to launch a satellite (or develop an ICBM) eventually do succeed, with failures of actual launches indicating they're close enough that they're actually building some and rolling out some prototypes.

The fact that the first few attempts fail is like the fact that, the first time you try running the computer program you wrote, it will probably fail. It was at least close enough to being "final" that you had to run the entire program to see what happened.

The fact that they're attempting launches in the first place usually means they're getting close to a final product.

While "rocket science" is difficult, as in takes several years, I think it would be hard to find a country that reached the launch attempt stage without eventually succeeding.
 
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Depending on the mass of the payload and the type of orbit NK wants to achieve, it might be tough to launch from their latitude, even if they have sufficient thrust and modest mass.
 
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turbo said:
Depending on the mass of the payload and the type of orbit NK wants to achieve, it might be tough to launch from their latitude, even if they have sufficient thrust and modest mass.

Pssst! That wasn't really what they were trying to do!
 
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russ_watters said:
Was that museum built for North Koreans or was it built for you?

Good point. Probably built for tourists.
 
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The amount of $$ required for the launch attempt is about the same amount of $$ to feed the entire NK population for a year.

According to The Daily Focus (A South Korean internet based newspaper) - have no idea on its credibility though...
 
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Greg Bernhardt said:
This is true, I toured a museum there and they had a large room filled with photos of "successful" "satellite" launches.
such a strange country
russ_watters said:
Who's laughing at who?

And here's what happens next: Over the next few weeks we will affirm for Baby Kim that like his father, he's the Most Powerful Man in the World (reclaiming the throne NK temporarily lost to Bashar Assad), dooming the North Korean people to two more generations of famine and poverty and South Koreans to two more generations of living in his shadow. Hilarious stuff.
Agreed. As strange as NK may be its common people are in a bad situation, it's even worse because of extensive propaganda and media control that means they probably don't even realize.
 
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