Not sure I understand commutation relations

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The discussion centers on confusion regarding the application of commutation relations in quantum mechanics, specifically the commutator [a, a†]. Participants point out that the initial working shown in an image does not fully utilize the commutation properties, leading to incorrect conclusions. The correct approach involves recognizing that commutators follow specific rules, such as the Leibniz product rule, which allows for simplification when dealing with products of operators. One contributor emphasizes the importance of treating operators correctly and suggests that understanding commutator properties is crucial for resolving the confusion. Overall, the thread highlights the need for clarity in applying commutation relations in quantum mechanics.
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Firstly, I'm looking at this:

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I'm confused because my understanding is that the commutator should be treated like so:

$$[a,a^{\dagger}] = aa^{\dagger} - a^{\dagger}a$$

but the working in the above image looks like it only goes as far as

$$aa^{\dagger}$$

This surely isn't the case, so I think I may have got my understanding wrong regarding how to take the correct steps when working out a commutation relation

Secondly, I have this question, which I think may further shed light on where I'm going wrong, if anyone may be kind enough to have a look for me:

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I work through it like so:

$$[a^2,a^{\dagger}] = \Bigg[\frac{m}{2\hbar\omega}(\omega \hat{x} + \frac{i}{m}\hat{p})^2, \sqrt{\frac{m}{2\hbar\omega}}(\omega \hat{x} - \frac{i}{m}\hat{p}) \Bigg]$$
$$ = \frac{m}{2\hbar\omega}(\omega \hat{x} + \frac{i}{m}\hat{p})^2 \sqrt{\frac{m}{2\hbar\omega}}(\omega \hat{x} - \frac{i}{m}\hat{p}) - \frac{m}{2\hbar\omega}(\omega \hat{x} + \frac{i}{m}\hat{p})^2 \sqrt{\frac{m}{2\hbar\omega}}(\omega \hat{x} - \frac{i}{m}\hat{p})$$
taking this part alone:
$$(\omega \hat{x} + \frac{i}{m}\hat{p})^2$$
I'm getting:
$$\omega^2[\hat{x},\hat{x}] + \frac{\omega i}{m}[\hat{x},\hat{p}] + \frac{\omega i}{m}[\hat{p},\hat{x}] - \frac{1}{m}[\hat{p},\hat{p}]$$
$$ = 0 + \frac{\omega i}{m}(i \hbar) + \frac{\omega i}{m}(-i \hbar) + 0 $$
$$ = 0$$

Which would give a final result:

$$[a^2,a^{\dagger}] = 0 $$

So I clearly don't know how to go about this the right way!

The only error I can think of is that I'm supposed to put a dummy function alongside the operators i.e. I'm supposed to actually show that:

$$[a^2,a^{\dagger}]\Psi(x) = 2a\Psi(x) $$

This worked in a previous exercise where I demonstrated

$$[\hat{x},\hat{p}]\Psi(x) = i\hbar \Psi(x)$$

But this isn't how it's done in the first image I've embedded in this post where there isn't any kind of "dummy function" involved.

Or perhaps I'm not expanding the brackets properly? This is probably more likely...

Any help much appreciated, thank you.
 
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sa1988 said:
but the working in the above image looks like it only goes as far as

$$aa^{\dagger}$$

This surely isn't the case
I agree with you. The working shown looks wrong, in exactly the way you point out. What is the source of that working?

For the next bit:
taking this part alone:
$$(\omega \hat{x} + \frac{i}{m}\hat{p})^2$$
I'm getting:
$$\omega^2[\hat{x},\hat{x}] + \frac{\omega i}{m}[\hat{x},\hat{p}] + \frac{\omega i}{m}[\hat{p},\hat{x}] - \frac{1}{m}[\hat{p},\hat{p}]$$
That looks wrong to me. I can't see any reason for putting commutators in. There should just be composition of the operators. I get:
$$\omega^2\hat{x}^2 + \frac{\omega i}{m}\hat{x}\hat{p} + \frac{\omega i}{m}\hat{p}\hat{x} - \frac{1}{m}\hat{p}^2$$
which is not necessarily zero.
 
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sa1988 said:
x9dYu1r.png


I'm confused because my understanding is that the commutator should be treated like so:$$[a,a^{\dagger}] = aa^{\dagger} - a^{\dagger}a$$but the working in the above image looks like it only goes as far as$$aa^{\dagger}$$
Huh? Looks ok to me. It's just using linearity properties of the commutator, i.e., $$[A+B \,,\, C] ~=~ [A,C] + [B,C]$$
Secondly, [...]
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The commutator is a derivation, meaning that it satisfies the Leibniz product rule: $$[AB, C] ~=~[A,C]B + A[B,C] ~.$$ You can therefore use the result of the 1st part of your post to make the 2nd part easy. I.e., think of the ##a^2## as a product. With this hint, the solution should be a 1-liner. :wink:
 
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Thanks for the replies.

So I was right in that I simply didn't know enough about commutators, i.e their properties.

Cheers :)
 

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