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The discussion revolves around the concepts of mechanical energy, specifically focusing on potential energy and kinetic energy in the context of a ball thrown vertically upward. The original poster presents a problem involving calculations of potential energy at a certain height, initial kinetic energy, and total mechanical energy at maximum height.

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  • Participants discuss the calculation of potential energy using the formula PE = mgy and express confidence in the results. There is a question regarding the calculation of initial kinetic energy, with some participants suggesting the need to use the definition of kinetic energy based on the initial speed given. The concept of conservation of mechanical energy is also brought up, leading to questions about the relationship between initial and final energies.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, with some providing guidance on how to approach the calculations. There is an exploration of different interpretations regarding the maximum height and the implications for energy conservation. While some participants express confidence in their calculations, others are questioning assumptions and seeking clarification on the setup of the equations.

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There is a noted uncertainty about whether the height of 2 m is the maximum height of the ball, which affects the interpretation of the energy conservation principles being discussed. Additionally, the original poster's understanding of kinetic energy and its calculation is under scrutiny.

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A .5 kg ball is thrown vertically upward with an initial speed of 8 m/s. If the initial potential energy is taken as zero, find the following:
1. potential energy of the ball at a height of 2 m above the initial position
2. the initial kinetic energy of the ball
3. the total mechanical energy at the maximum height



PE= mgy
Potential Energy=(mass)(Gravity)(height)

KE(initial)+PE(initial)=KE(final)+PE(final)


1. So for the first one, this is how I solved for the potential energy:
PE=mgy
PE=(.5kg)(9.8m/s^2)(2m)
PE=9.8 J
I am pretty confident with how I solved this part of the problem.


2. The second question I had a little more trouble with.
I used:
KE(initial)+PE(initial)=KE(final)+PE(final), and plugged in what I knew:

KE(inital) + 0=0 + PE(final)

So since KE=PE I said that KE would also equal 9.8 J.


3. So if the ball had 9.8 J to begin with, and ended with 9.8 J, shouldn't this answer also be 9.8 J?



Thanks for the help.
 
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jle1092 said:
1. So for the first one, this is how I solved for the potential energy:
PE=mgy
PE=(.5kg)(9.8m/s^2)(2m)
PE=9.8 J
I am pretty confident with how I solved this part of the problem.
Good!

2. The second question I had a little more trouble with.
I used:
KE(initial)+PE(initial)=KE(final)+PE(final), and plugged in what I knew:

KE(inital) + 0=0 + PE(final)

So since KE=PE I said that KE would also equal 9.8 J.
You need to calculate KE(initial) based on the speed that was given. (What's the definition of KE?)

Do not assume KE(final) is zero. No one said that 2 m was the maximum height of the ball.
 
So would I set up the equation to :

KEi= (1\2mv^2) + PEf ?

If so, what do I use for PEf so that I can solve the equation?
 
jle1092 said:
So would I set up the equation to :

KEi= (1\2mv^2) + PEf ?

If so, what do I use for PEf so that I can solve the equation?
For question 2 all you need is the definition of KE. (All they ask for is the initial KE.)

When solving question 3, then you'll need to use conservation of mechanical energy. Hint: It's a trick question. You shouldn't have to do any further calculations beyond what you already did.
 
Doc Al said:
For question 2 all you need is the definition of KE. (All they ask for is the initial KE.)

When solving question 3, then you'll need to use conservation of mechanical energy. Hint: It's a trick question. You shouldn't have to do any further calculations beyond what you already did.

So, shouldn't the answer to the third one be 16?

Because:

PEi + KEi = PEf + KEf
0 + 16 = PEf + KEf


So it doesn't really matter what PEf and KEf are because they equal 16 combined, by the conservation of mechanical energy law?
 
Exactly!
 
Thank you for the help! :)
 

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