Not wanting to belive the acceleration universe model

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around alternative explanations for the redshifting of distant objects and critiques of the commonly accepted model of an accelerating universe. Participants explore various theories and papers that challenge the necessity of dark energy and cosmic acceleration, engaging in a debate about the implications of these models.

Discussion Character

  • Debate/contested
  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks theories or resources that provide alternative explanations for redshift and challenge the standard model of an accelerating universe.
  • Another participant criticizes the scientific community for creating theories based on personal beliefs rather than empirical evidence, emphasizing the importance of an open-minded approach to nature.
  • A participant references a paper by Wiltshire et al., suggesting that if a moderate density of ordinary matter exists beyond the observable universe, it could imply no dark energy or acceleration, thus questioning the conclusions drawn from supernova data.
  • Further discussion includes a mention of other papers by Kolb et al. that propose explanations for the universe's acceleration without invoking dark energy, indicating a growing skepticism within the physics community regarding the acceleration model.
  • Another participant notes that while Kolb's papers rule out dark energy, they do not necessarily rule out acceleration, highlighting the complexity of the discussion.
  • Additional references to papers that challenge the necessity of dark energy in light of inhomogeneities in the universe are provided, suggesting that the current understanding may be incomplete.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views, with some supporting alternative models that question the acceleration of the universe and dark energy, while others defend the current understanding. The discussion remains unresolved, with multiple competing theories and perspectives presented.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the limitations of current models and the dependence on specific assumptions, such as the density of matter beyond the observable universe and the interpretation of supernova data. There are unresolved mathematical steps and varying interpretations of the implications of new theories.

  • #31
SpaceTiger said:
Again, you're mixing up proper motion and velocity. Proper motion refers to an angular motion on the sky and it's always orthogonal to an object's redshift. Nevertheless, dark matter was not invoked to explain this particular paradox, nor is it needed to resolve it, so it's just a red herring.
I apologize for the imprecise terminology, but there are hundreds, more likely thousands of papers out there written about clusters that invoke dark matter to supply the gravitational attraction need to bind clusters and keep them together. The standard model absolutely needs DM in clusters to hold them together. Indeed, many large-scale searches for DM have been modeled using cluster geometry as tracers of DM distribution. If there is a model that can explain the Fingers of God effect without invoking intrinsic redshift and without the need for DM to help bind the clusters so they don't fly apart, can you point me to the paper(s)?
 

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