Nth Derivatives and Taylor Polynomials

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The discussion revolves around proving a relationship between the derivatives of two functions, f and g, at a point x_0, given certain conditions involving their nth derivatives and limits. The subject area is calculus, specifically focusing on derivatives and Taylor polynomials.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the proof by considering the implications of the limit condition and how it relates to the derivatives of the functions. There is an attempt to use induction on the order of derivatives, with questions about how to handle the transition from one derivative to the next, particularly regarding the necessary forms of limits and the role of the exponent in the denominator.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided guidance on how to approach the proof, particularly for the 0th and 1st derivatives. There is an ongoing exploration of how to extend this reasoning to higher derivatives, with some participants expressing confusion about the necessary steps and forms. The discussion reflects a productive exchange of ideas, with attempts to clarify the induction process.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the challenge of applying the limit condition to higher derivatives and the need to manipulate expressions to fit the required forms. There is an acknowledgment of the original hypothesis needing to be preserved throughout the proof process.

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Homework Statement


Show that if [itex]f^{(n)}(x_0)[/itex] and [itex]g^{(n)}(x_0)[/itex] exist and
[itex]\lim_{x \rightarrow x_0} \frac{f(x)-g(x)}{(x-x_0)^n} = 0[/itex] then
[itex]f^{(r)}(x_0) = g^{(r)}(x_0), 0 \leq r \leq n[/itex].

Homework Equations


If f is differentiable then [itex]\lim_{x \rightarrow x_0}\frac{f(x)-T_n(x)}{(x-x_0)^n}=0[/itex], where Tn is the nth Taylor polynomial.

The Attempt at a Solution

I'm stuck on how to start the proof at all. I tried induction on r, but didn't get very far with that since I had trouble showing that [itex]f(x_0) = g(x_0)[/itex]. Any ideas on what direction to go to get started?

Thanks.
 
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Let's get you started here. First, you can regard f(x) and g(x) as the 0th derivatives, so that [tex]lim_{x \rightarrow x_0} \frac{f(x) - g(x)}{(x-x_0)^0} = 0 \Rightarrow f(x_0) -g(x_0) = 0[/tex] so we have [tex]f(x_0) = g(x_0)[/tex]

For the first derivatives we have [tex]\frac {f(x)-f(x_0) -(g(x) - g(x_0))}{x-x_0} = \frac {f(x) -(g(x) }{x-x_0} \rightarrow 0 \hspace{50px}(1)[/tex]

But the limit in (1) also goes to [tex]f'(x_0) - g'(x_0)[/tex]

We conclude that [tex]f'(x_0) = g'(x_0)[/tex]

If you were going to use this method to prove the result for f'' and g'' you could repeat the above argument for f' and g' instead of f and g. Does this tell you how to do the induction step?
 
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I understand how this works for the 0th derivative and first derivative, but I am having trouble seeing how it would work for the second and higher derivatives. What confuses me is the exponent on [itex](x-x_0)^n[/itex].

For the second derivative I am writing[itex]\frac{f'(x)-f'(x_0)-(g'(x)-g'(x_0))}{(x-x_0)}[/itex] and using [itex]f'(x)=g'(x)[/itex] and using the definition of the second derivative, but then I don't have [itex](x-x_0)^2[/itex] in the denominator or and f(x) or g(x) on top. Do I have to multiply through by something to get those to appear?
 
Ah, actually I think I see how those appear. I broke down the first derivative the one step further into limit form.
 
Sorry, I wrote this carelessly. When you go back to the definition of f' and g' your original hypothesis should appear. If you can show that [tex]f''(x_0) = g''(x_0)[/tex] then you can see how to do the induction step.
 

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