Nuclear weapons active research program/new designs?

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The discussion revolves around the current state of nuclear weapons research and design, particularly in the context of new engineering approaches and educational practices related to nuclear weaponry. Participants explore the implications of existing treaties and the historical context of nuclear weapons development.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that plutonium (Pu) systems are advantageous for smaller, higher-yield nuclear weapons and may serve as effective triggers for thermonuclear devices.
  • There is speculation about the potential utility of smaller nuclear bombs for specific military applications, such as targeting caves or bunkers, without causing extensive civilian casualties.
  • Concerns are raised regarding the legality of developing new nuclear weapons designs, given existing treaties and non-proliferation conventions.
  • Some participants inquire whether nuclear engineering programs include education on nuclear bomb design, with responses indicating that while research exists, formal education on weapon design is limited and often restricted.
  • It is noted that much of the publicly available information on nuclear weapons has been significantly reduced since the 1980s, and that research is conducted under strict conditions at national laboratories.
  • Participants mention that modern nuclear weapons often utilize hybrid designs, incorporating plutonium to initiate fusion reactions.

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Participants express a range of views on the existence and nature of nuclear weapons research, with some agreeing that research continues under strict conditions, while others emphasize the legal and ethical constraints surrounding development. There is no consensus on the specifics of educational practices related to nuclear weapon design.

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Limitations include the ambiguity surrounding the extent of current research activities, the secrecy of nuclear engineering programs, and the historical context affecting the availability of information on nuclear weapons.

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reading my earlier thread about India and thorium
Astronuc said:
Pu systems are smaller and yields higher (better for muliple (cluster) warhead systems), and they make for better triggers for thermonuclear weapons.

makes me wonder whether nuclear weapons remains an active engineering field with any new proposed designs of nuclear weapons?

hard to imagine given the cold war is over and current h-bombs are powerful enough
 
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ensabah6 said:
hard to imagine given the cold war is over and current h-bombs are powerful enough
Current H bombs are too powerful, that's why you can't use them.
A bomb that was only the equivalent of a few tons to a few 10s of tons of TNT might be very useful against caves or concrete bunkers and by not killing the surrounding 100,000 people you might be more tempted to use one.

Of course developing one would be against all sorts of treaties and non-proliferation conventions so obviously no-one would dream of doing it.
 
mgb_phys said:
Current H bombs are too powerful, that's why you can't use them.
A bomb that was only the equivalent of a few tons to a few 10s of tons of TNT might be very useful against caves or concrete bunkers and by not killing the surrounding 100,000 people you might be more tempted to use one.

Of course developing one would be against all sorts of treaties and non-proliferation conventions so obviously no-one would dream of doing it.

so there's actual research into this? do nuclear engineering programs teach students about how to engineer nuclear bombs?
 
ensabah6 said:
so there's actual research into this?
Research yes - development would be illegal.

do nuclear engineering programs teach students about how to engineer nuclear bombs?
In N. Korea possibly. In most countries nuclear weapon design tends to be a bit more secret.
 
ensabah6 said:
so there's actual research into this? do nuclear engineering programs teach students about how to engineer nuclear bombs?
To my knowledge, no. Most programs provide sufficient background to enable one to calculate critical masses of fissile materials. Much of what was in the public domain has been removed since the 1980's.

The program in which I obtained my degrees had a course in nuclear weapons, but it was restricted. Ultimately it was discontinued.


Nuclear weapons research is conducted under controlled and restricted conditions at certain national labs. People involved do not talk about their work outside of the lab.
 
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mgb_phys said:
Current H bombs are too powerful, that's why you can't use them...
Most of the modern weapons are hybrids. As Astronuc indicated, Pu is used to ingite secondary thermonuclear (i.e. fusion) explosions, using H based fuel.
 
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Astronuc said:
To my knowledge, no. Most programs provide sufficient background to enable one to calculate critical masses of fissile materials. Much of what was in the public domain has been removed since the 1980's.

The program in which I obtained my degrees had a course in nuclear weapons, but it was restricted. Ultimately it was discontinued.

you answered my questions, thanks
 

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