Nucleon Constituents: Virtual Quark Types

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The discussion revolves around the constituents of nucleons, specifically focusing on the types of virtual quarks present within protons and neutrons. Participants explore whether only up and down quarks are involved or if heavier quarks can also contribute, considering both theoretical and experimental perspectives.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that nucleons consist of three valence quarks and a sea of virtual quark-antiquark pairs and gluons, questioning whether only up and down quarks are present or if heavier quarks can also be involved.
  • It is proposed that all flavors of quarks contribute due to gluon to quark-antiquark processes, with references to experimental measurements indicating the presence of strange quarks in protons.
  • One participant mentions that while heavier quarks are suppressed in nucleons, they are still predicted to be present according to parton distribution functions.
  • There is speculation that heavier quarks may be present but their detection in experiments could be challenging, with suggestions that future experiments at the LHC might provide insights.
  • Another participant emphasizes the need for low energy experiments with high accuracy to determine the percentage of heavy quarks already present in protons, distinguishing them from those produced during high-energy collisions.
  • Concerns are raised about how to differentiate between quarks that were originally in the proton and those generated during collisions, suggesting the use of simulations to analyze statistical experimental results.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views regarding the presence of heavier quarks in nucleons, with no consensus reached on whether they are significantly present or how to accurately measure their contributions.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the limitations of current experimental methods and the challenges in distinguishing between pre-existing and collision-generated quarks, highlighting the dependence on specific experimental conditions and the need for high-accuracy measurements.

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I understand that nucleons (protons and neutrons) consist of 3 valence quarks and a sea of other stuff, virtual quark-antiquark pairs and gluons. Question: are the virtual quarks only up and down or may there be heavier quarks?
 
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mathman said:
I understand that nucleons (protons and neutrons) consist of 3 valence quarks and a sea of other stuff, virtual quark-antiquark pairs and gluons. Question: are the virtual quarks only up and down or may there be heavier quarks?

All flavors contribute because of g\leftrightarrow q\bar{q} processes. A quick search didn't turn up any sort of canonical reference, but http://cerncourier.com/cws/article/cern/29441 explains some experimental measurements related to the strange component of the proton.
 
http://pdg.web.cern.ch/pdg/2011/reviews/rpp2011-rev-structure-functions.pdf has (predicted) parton distribution functions on page 12. Heavier quarks are suppressed, but they are present.
 
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fzero said:
All flavors contribute because of g\leftrightarrow q\bar{q} processes. A quick search didn't turn up any sort of canonical reference, but http://cerncourier.com/cws/article/cern/29441 explains some experimental measurements related to the strange component of the proton.

I would guess that it is possible that the other heavier quarks may be present, but the experiments might be difficult. Maybe LHC might find something?
 
Naturally if you hit a proton hard enough, heavy quarks will be produced. I thought your question was, is there a significant percentage of heavy quarks already in the proton. And to answer this, as described in the ref, you want to do low energy experiments with high accuracy.
 
Bill_K said:
Naturally if you hit a proton hard enough, heavy quarks will be produced. I thought your question was, is there a significant percentage of heavy quarks already in the proton. And to answer this, as described in the ref, you want to do low energy experiments with high accuracy.
My confusion is how do you tell what was there already as compared to what happens when protons collide with something.
 
With simulations - you cannot "see" this directly in detectors, you can just compare (statistical) experimental results with the simulated results.
 

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