Number of Positive Solutions for Omega?

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The discussion revolves around the free vibrations of a clamped string of length L, focusing on the eigenvalues derived from the boundary conditions and the wave equation. The participants are tasked with finding the positive roots of the equation k\tan(\omega L) + \omega = 0 and determining how many positive solutions for omega exist.

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  • Participants discuss the separation of variables method and the resulting ordinary differential equations (ODEs). There is an exploration of boundary conditions and the implications of choosing constants in the general solution. Questions arise regarding the number of positive solutions for omega and the necessity of finding an explicit solution to solve the PDE.

Discussion Status

Some participants have identified the correct form of the equation for omega and are exploring its implications. There is acknowledgment of potential mistakes in earlier reasoning, and participants are actively questioning how to approach the problem further. The discussion remains open with no explicit consensus on the number of solutions.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the complexity of isolating omega and the challenges in finding explicit solutions. There is also a distinction being considered between boundary conditions and initial conditions in the context of the PDE.

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Could someone help me out on the following questions?

Q. Consider the free vibrations of a string of length L clamped at x = 0 and constrained at x = L such that u_x \left( {L,t} \right) = - ku\left( {L,t} \right),k > 0.

(a) Show that the eigenvalues are given by the positive roots of: k\tan \left( {\omega L} \right) + \omega = 0. How many positive solutions for omega does this equation have?

(b) The string is released from rest so that u_t \left( {x,0} \right) = 0, and the string is given an initial deformation given by u(x,0) = (hx)/L, where h is constant. Use the principle of linear superposition to find the solution u(x,t).

Wave equation: \frac{{\partial ^2 u}}{{\partial t^2 }} = c^2 \frac{{\partial ^2 u}}{{\partial x^2 }}

For part (a) I just tried a separable solution u\left( {x,t} \right) = T\left( t \right)\phi \left( x \right). Where lambda is a constant I obtain the two ODEs:

<br /> T&#039;&#039;\left( t \right) + \lambda c^2 T\left( t \right) = 0<br />

<br /> \phi &#039;&#039;\left( x \right) + \lambda \phi \left( x \right) = 0<br />

The boundary conditions (the string being clamped at x = 0 and constrained at x = L in the specified way) results in the following ODE problem.

<br /> \frac{{d^2 \phi }}{{dt^2 }} + \lambda \phi = 0,\phi \left( 0 \right) = 0,\phi &#039;\left( L \right) + k\phi \left( L \right) = 0<br />

I found that if lambda is not positive then the ODE has trivial solutions so I take lambda to be positive.

<br /> \phi \left( x \right) = A\cos \left( {\omega x} \right) + b\sin \left( {\omega x} \right),\lambda = \omega ^2 &gt; 0<br />

Plugging in the boundary conditions of the ODE above I get a A = 0 and F\left( {\sin \left( {\omega L} \right) + k\omega \cos \left( {\omega L} \right)} \right) = 0. I take F not equal to zero to avoid a trivial solution to the ODE. So I get

<br /> {\sin \left( {\omega L} \right) + k\omega \cos \left( {\omega L} \right)}<br /> = 0

which does not correspond to the given result. I also can't figure out how many positive solutions for omega the equation that I needed to derive in part (a) has.

I don't think I can do part (b) without having completed part (a) because I need to sum over a sequence of functions whose arguments contain omega to find the solution to the PDE.

Can someone give me some help? Thanks.
 
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Benny said:
Could someone help me out on the following questions?

Q. Consider the free vibrations of a string of length L clamped at x = 0 and constrained at x = L such that u_x \left( {L,t} \right) = - ku\left( {L,t} \right),k &gt; 0.

(a) Show that the eigenvalues are given by the positive roots of: k\tan \left( {\omega L} \right) + \omega = 0. How many positive solutions for omega does this equation have?

(b) The string is released from rest so that u_t \left( {x,0} \right) = 0, and the string is given an initial deformation given by u(x,0) = (hx)/L, where h is constant. Use the principle of linear superposition to find the solution u(x,t).

Wave equation: \frac{{\partial ^2 u}}{{\partial t^2 }} = c^2 \frac{{\partial ^2 u}}{{\partial x^2 }}

For part (a) I just tried a separable solution u\left( {x,t} \right) = T\left( t \right)\phi \left( x \right). Where lambda is a constant I obtain the two ODEs:

<br /> T&#039;&#039;\left( t \right) + \lambda c^2 T\left( t \right) = 0<br />

<br /> \phi &#039;&#039;\left( x \right) + \lambda \phi \left( x \right) = 0<br />

The boundary conditions (the string being clamped at x = 0 and constrained at x = L in the specified way) results in the following ODE problem.

<br /> \frac{{d^2 \phi }}{{dt^2 }} + \lambda \phi = 0,\phi \left( 0 \right) = 0,\phi &#039;\left( L \right) + k\phi \left( L \right) = 0<br />

I found that if lambda is not positive then the ODE has trivial solutions so I take lambda to be positive.

<br /> \phi \left( x \right) = A\cos \left( {\omega x} \right) + b\sin \left( {\omega x} \right),\lambda = \omega ^2 &gt; 0<br />

Plugging in the boundary conditions of the ODE above I get a A = 0 and F\left( {\sin \left( {\omega L} \right) + k\omega \cos \left( {\omega L} \right)} \right) = 0. I take F not equal to zero to avoid a trivial solution to the ODE. So I get

<br /> {\sin \left( {\omega L} \right) + k\omega \cos \left( {\omega L} \right)}<br /> = 0
You were good up to this point but I think perhaps you got \phi and \phi&#039; confused. The general solution to your equation is, as you say
<br /> \phi \left( x \right) = A\cos \left( {\omega x} \right) + b\sin \left( {\omega x} \right),\lambda = \omega ^2 &gt; 0<br />
(Any reason for using b instead of B here?)
Certainly, since
\phi(0)= A= 0
we have
<br /> \phi \left( x \right) = b\sin \left( {\omega x} \right)<br />
so that
<br /> \phi&#039; \left( x \right) = b\cos \left( {\omega x} \right)<br />
\phi&#039;(L)+ k\phi(L)= b\omega cos(\omega L)+ kbsin(\omega L)
= b(\omega cos(\omega L)+ k sin(\omega L))= 0
In order that b not be 0, so that \phi be non-trivial, you must have
\omega cos(\omega L)+ k sin(\omega L)= 0
or, dividing by cos(\omega L),
\omega+ k tan(\omega L)= 0
exactly the condition given.
 
It looks I just pulled an "F" from out of nowhere but I think I just misread my working while I was transferring it from my work book and onto PF. So there was no particular reason for choosing b, I just wasn't thinking straight, not enough sleep.

Anyway thanks for pointing out my mistake. I see how to get to that equation now.

<br /> k\tan \left( {\omega L} \right) + \omega = 0<br />

<br /> \tan \left( {\omega L} \right) = - \frac{\omega }{k}<br />

I'm not sure how to determine how many positive solutions there are for omega. I think I need to actually find an explicit solution for omega to solve the PDE, is it possible or ncessary to solve for omega to solve the PDE?

One more thing, for a PDE what's the difference, if any, between a boundary condition and an initial condition? Any help would be great thanks.
 
tangent goes to negative infinity at all odd multiples of \pi so the graph of y= tan(\omega L) will cross the straightline graph of y= -\frac{\omega}{k} infinitely often.
 
Ok but I don't know how I can isolate omega. To construct an expression for omega I tried considering if there were any special values of x such that tan(x) = x but I couldn't recall any such values. I also tried considering the equation in terms of cosine and sine...wcos(wL) + ksin(wL) = 0. If wL = (3/4)pi then I sort of get the LHS = zero. (off by some constant multiples of course) But apart from that I haven't gotten anywhere.

Edit: Nevermind, it's impossible to find an explicit expression for omega.
 
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