Obama Reelected: Republicans Feel the Schadenfreude

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The discussion revolves around the reelection of President Obama, exploring various factors that may have influenced the election outcome, including the performance of Mitt Romney, the impact of Hurricane Sandy, and the evolving political landscape of the Republican Party. Participants express a range of opinions on the implications of the election results for both parties and the electorate.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express feelings of schadenfreude regarding Republican reactions to the election results.
  • There is uncertainty about whether Obama's success was due to his own performance or Romney's shortcomings, with some attributing the loss to Romney's failure to effectively communicate his economic plans.
  • Several participants note that the election may have been more about Romney's perceived inadequacies than Obama's strengths.
  • Comments highlight a belief that the Republican Party must change its stances on social issues to remain relevant, with some arguing that the party is out of touch with younger voters and changing demographics.
  • Concerns are raised about the potential for political instability in the South if the Republican Party does not adapt.
  • Some participants question the impact of Hurricane Sandy on the election, with differing views on its significance and effects on voter sentiment.
  • There is speculation about whether economic conditions influenced voters' decisions, particularly regarding fears of losing homes under a Romney presidency.
  • Participants discuss the idea that the election results may reflect a broader referendum on Republican ideology rather than specific events like hurricanes or bailouts.

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Participants express a variety of opinions, with no clear consensus on the reasons behind the election outcome or the future direction of the Republican Party. Disagreements persist regarding the significance of Hurricane Sandy and the implications of the election results for party ideologies.

Contextual Notes

Some statements reflect assumptions about voter behavior and party dynamics that are not universally accepted. The discussion includes multiple perspectives on the impact of external events and internal party strategies, highlighting the complexity of electoral outcomes.

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I must say that I'm getting some serious Schadenfreude from republicans right now.

So I guess the polls were right after all and not some liberal conspiracy.
 
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i'll celebrate when it is sure, but i am beginning to relax.
 
I don't know if Obama did really well or Romney just goofed off. Romney had a good chance to win but he just failed to prove how he is going to handle economy.

It was a really big challenge for Obama to win and I think Obama deserves some credit for getting reelected in tough times.
 
rootX said:
I don't know if Obama did really well or Romney just goofed off. Romney had a good chance to win but he just failed to prove how he is going to handle economy.

It was a really big challenge for Obama to win and I think Obama deserves some credit for getting reelected in tough times.
I'll give a more complete post-mortem tomorrow, but I think the election was - ironically - much more about Romney (and a Frankenstorm) than Obama. There were a number of big moments where Romney came up short.
 
russ_watters said:
I'll give a more complete post-mortem tomorrow, but I think the election was - ironically - much more about Romney (and a Frankenstorm) than Obama. There were a number of big moments where Romney came up short.

Considering y'all's shellacking in the Senate, I'm pretty sure the election was - ironically - much more about Republicans.
 
I am watching tv now and all the commentators, including republican apologists, are saying that their party cannot survive if it does not abandon its anti - gay, anti - immigrant, stance. this alone is a tremendous advance for america. i hope the day of intolerance and racism is again losing its grip on our politics.
 
Republicans will come more in the TV if they continue making comments like binders full of women, rape etc. They need to have more intelligent people.
 
mathwonk said:
I am watching tv now and all the commentators, including republican apologists, are saying that their party cannot survive if it does not abandon its anti - gay, anti - immigrant, stance. this alone is a tremendous advance for america. i hope the day of intolerance and racism is again losing its grip on our politics.
Yes, what I'm hearing is that the Republican party is out of touch with the mainstream, younger generation and changing demographics.
 
mathwonk said:
I am watching tv now and all the commentators, including republican apologists, are saying that their party cannot survive if it does not abandon its anti - gay, anti - immigrant, stance. this alone is a tremendous advance for america. i hope the day of intolerance and racism is again losing its grip on our politics.

I'm not sure that's possible for the republican party. If it tried to change, it would lose the south and become irrelevant. And the south isn't about to change any time soon. I think a future problem is going to be political stability in the south.
 
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mathwonk said:
I am watching tv now and all the commentators, including republican apologists, are saying that their party cannot survive if it does not abandon its anti - gay, anti - immigrant, stance. this alone is a tremendous advance for america. i hope the day of intolerance and racism is again losing its grip on our politics.
If the commentators are saying that, they're being disingenuous, particularly about immigration. Republicans are not anti-immigration, they are anti-illegal immigration.
 
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Evo said:
Yes, what I'm hearing is that the Republican party is out of touch with the mainstream, younger generation and changing demographics.
I suppose by definition if you are 1% away from the center you are not in the mainstream, but that's a pretty small margin. Also, yes, the Republican party is the party of old people, definitely. But it isn't like that has changed in decades. What changes is the young people that vote Democrat get older and switch to Republican.
 
  • #12
Romney was a god awful choice.
 
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I still think Romney's loss had it's roots in the "Stupidest Statement by a Presidential Candidate, Ever".
 
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chemisttree said:
I still think Romney's loss had it's roots in the "Stupidest Statement by a Presidential Candidate, Ever".

I think the auto bailout won the election.
 
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actually young southerners are much less racist than us oldsters, or maybe it is just the ones in my neighborhood.
 
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The republicans possibly put up the most inept challenger available in an election that was theirs to lose. Obama was perceived as the lesser of evils, not the great hope for the future. I'd have loved to seen a sincere and pragmatic fiscal conservative as an option, but, americans have an ingrained and historic ability to ignore reality. Assuming we recognize the EU template is not the road to prosperity, politics may change for the better after another 4 years of the less than thinly disguised path toward socialism.
 
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I wonder how much Hurricane Sandy affected the election. Obama benefited a lot by having that very blunt Republican, Chris Christie, praise him big-time.
 
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CAC1001 said:
I wonder how much Hurricane Sandy affected the election. Obama benefited a lot by having that very blunt Republican, Chris Christie, praise him big-time.
Not much, if at all. This is from analysts saying it had little, if any, effect, and being in the midwest, Sandy was a non-event for us. Probably the same for most of the US.

People here don't know who Christie is and the storm was "whatever", we deal with tornadoes and horrendous weather systems every year. People near me are still dealing with the Joplin tornado, 160 dead in just one part of town. The Alabama tornadoes, 350 dead.
 
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So Obama just gave.. a good speech. I think that was the best speech he's ever given.
 
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I wonder how much Hurricane Sandy affected the election. Obama benefited a lot by having that very blunt Republican, Chris Christie, praise him big-time.

According to the poll aggregators like Nate Silver, not very much. The polls correctly predicted every state race, so its probably safe to say they were a decent representation of public opinion.
 
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Evo said:
Not much, if at all. This is from analysts saying it had little, if any, effect, and being in the midwest, Sandy was a non-event for us. Probably the same for most of the US.

People here don't know who Christie is and the storm was "whatever", we deal with tornadoes and horrendous weather systems every year. People near me are still dealing with the Joplin tornado, 160 dead in just one part of town. The Alabama tornadoes, 350 dead.

ParticleGrl said:
According to the poll aggregators like Nate Silver, not very much. The polls correctly predicted every state race, so its probably safe to say they were a decent representation of public opinion.

I see, good to know. One other thing I was wondering is if there is a population of people who in healthy economic times would have voted for Romney, but due to the lack of employment opportunities, and considering how Romney was talking about cutting this and that, were fearful that they might lose their homes and so forth if Romney was elected, and thus voted for Obama.
 
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Congratulations to President Obama! So happy he won!
 
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I see, good to know. One other thing I was wondering is if there is a population of people who in healthy economic times would have voted for Romney, but due to the lack of employment opportunities, and considering how Romney was talking about cutting this and that, were fearful that they might lose their homes and so forth if Romney was elected, and thus voted for Obama.

I'm more curious whether Republicans will accept that this was a referendum against their ideology, and has nothing to do with hurricanes (which, if anything, would suppress the vote), bailouts (which affected only one swing state, which was not necessary in the Obama machine), or the job security of voters.
 
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Angry Citizen said:
I'm more curious whether Republicans will accept that this was a referendum against their ideology, and has nothing to do with hurricanes (which, if anything, would suppress the vote), bailouts (which affected only one swing state, which was not necessary in the Obama machine), or the job security of voters.

I doubt it was a referendum against Republican ideology any more than the 2010 Congressional elections were a rejection of Democratic party ideology.
 
  • #25
I keep hearing Ann Coulter's prediction from 2 years ago in my head... "If we don't run Chris Christie, Romney will be the nominee and we'll lose. And, by the way, I warned you about McCain. Lone voice in the woods..."
http://www.therightscoop.com/coulter-run-chris-christie-or-well-lose-in-2012/
 
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So what's his first move going to be? What's he working on tomorrow morning?
 
  • #27
Well this is disconcerting!
http://www.whitehouse.gov/schedule/president/2012-11-07
 
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Pythagorean said:
So what's his first move going to be? What's he working on tomorrow morning?

You realize that the new term doesn't start until Jan 20? His "first move" will be an inauguration ceremony on Jan 21.
 
  • #29
Sandy? That mostly hit NY and NJ that were already in Obama's pocket anyway. No, the cause lies elsewhere. I blame PF and its growing influence in politics and world affairs.
 
  • #30
Chronos said:
The republicans possibly put up the most inept challenger available in an election that was theirs to lose.
Most inept? You think Bachmann, Santorum, Trump, and Cain were more viable options?
 

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