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News Obama to appear on Bill O'Reilly's The Factor this evening (FOX)

  1. Sep 4, 2008 #1

    chemisttree

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    Obama to appear on Bill O'Reilly's "The Factor" this evening (FOX)

    http://www.billoreilly.com/" [Broken]... if it is done on the night of McCain's nomination speech.

    Brilliant! Excellent politics, Mr. Obama! This is sure to counteract some of the relentless pro-McCain coverage during RNC convention week. Bill's a pushover...

    What could go wrong?
     
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  3. Sep 4, 2008 #2
    Re: Obama to appear on Bill O'Reilly's "The Factor" this evening (FOX)

    It is great politics. Considering the huge market that FOX commands, it is a wise move to get some exposure.

    Hilary took advantage of it. It didn't hurt her did it?
     
  4. Sep 4, 2008 #3
    Re: Obama to appear on Bill O'Reilly's "The Factor" this evening (FOX)

    There's that weasel Karl Rove.
     
  5. Sep 4, 2008 #4
    Re: Obama to appear on Bill O'Reilly's "The Factor" this evening (FOX)

    Bill O'Reilly? Hmm, pretty nice move to take the attention away from McCain. Bill can be controversial and having Obama will make things all the more tense on the show.
     
  6. Sep 4, 2008 #5
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    There's too much irony in Fox News making a big deal about a supposed misleading title of a magazine cover.
     
  7. Sep 4, 2008 #6
    Re: Obama to appear on Bill O'Reilly's "The Factor" this evening (FOX)

    I watched it. O'Reilly look like his normal jack-donkey self.

    "JUST SAY IT. SAY YOU WERE WRONG. JUST SAY YOU WERE WRONG"....:rolleyes:

    Heee-haaa heee-haaaa....and the emmy goes to..........oh, not you O'Reilly. NO not you either Hannity.
     
  8. Sep 5, 2008 #7
    Re: Obama to appear on Bill O'Reilly's "The Factor" this evening (FOX)

    I don't know how anyone can watch through that guy's "interviews". Instead of trying to encourage the interviewee to offer an opinon on a topic, this interviewer states what he thinks the situation is and insists the interviewee agree to it.
     
  9. Sep 5, 2008 #8
    Re: Obama to appear on Bill O'Reilly's "The Factor" this evening (FOX)

    Hence why Bill O'Reilly is an a** -clown.
     
  10. Sep 5, 2008 #9

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    Re: Obama to appear on Bill O'Reilly's "The Factor" this evening (FOX)

    Here's the first part of the interview.


    Once again, Obama shines.
     
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  11. Sep 5, 2008 #10
    Re: Obama to appear on Bill O'Reilly's "The Factor" this evening (FOX)

    I love how O'Tool says, huffing and puffing, " <rolleyes> all rightt, deplomacy mightttt work </rolleyes>"....


    "but the surge worked, come onnnnnnnnnn, just say it..........come onnnnnnnnnnn......"

    What a buffoon.
     
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  12. Sep 5, 2008 #11

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    Re: Obama to appear on Bill O'Reilly's "The Factor" this evening (FOX)

    ...but why even bother? You can't wrap a flag around diplomacy.

    I noticed a distinct void regarding timelines for withdrawal.
     
  13. Sep 5, 2008 #12
    Re: Obama to appear on Bill O'Reilly's "The Factor" this evening (FOX)

    O'reiley and Obama engaged in a polite manner.

    The success of the troop surge issue is a valid point. A point that many undecided voters are interested in. O'reiley did his job.
     
  14. Sep 5, 2008 #13
    Re: Obama to appear on Bill O'Reilly's "The Factor" this evening (FOX)

    I never said it was not a valid point. Don't put words into my mouth.

    I said O'Reiley is an idiot and an arrogant Jackass. He's a disgrace to reporting, and has no class.
     
  15. Sep 5, 2008 #14
    Re: Obama to appear on Bill O'Reilly's "The Factor" this evening (FOX)

    He's such a bad journalism that interview was NOT about Obama. It was about hearing O'Reily TELL obama what he thinks and obama sits there and listens.

    I'll wait for Obama to go on a real program, like Charlie Rose.
     
  16. Sep 5, 2008 #15
    Re: Obama to appear on Bill O'Reilly's "The Factor" this evening (FOX)

    Don't put words in my mouth either. I never said YOU said.

    My point was that it was a valid point and needed to brought up. O'reiley is doing his job.

    Run away, lest I frighten you with my O'reiley challenge.
     
  17. Sep 5, 2008 #16
    Re: Obama to appear on Bill O'Reilly's "The Factor" this evening (FOX)

    Sorry, but it's not in Obama's character to just "sit there and listen".
     
  18. Sep 5, 2008 #17

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    Re: Obama to appear on Bill O'Reilly's "The Factor" this evening (FOX)

    If you throw enough troops at a problem then you can regain control - it is a foregone conclusion. The real question is: Has Iraq moved to stablize politically, or are they still taking vacations and fighting among themselves. Obama's position has always been that if we don't put pressure on the Iraqies to solve their own problems, they never will. So by the measure that he has always used, the success of the surge is not yet determined.

    It is also a fact that the Sunni awakening played a large role in improving conditions in Iraq. This had nothing to do with the surge.
     
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  19. Sep 5, 2008 #18
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    If you use the same criteria that we used about a year and a half ago, where it was decided that the surge was (at that time) not yet successful, vast progress has been made. Instead of 5/13, I believe we are now up to 11/13.

    This seems to be a bit of vague statement. Pressure can be applied with or without a troop surge. Obama opposed the surge.

    Err... then why did he say it had succeeded?

    Certainly he must be inherently aware of the standards he has, himself, always used.
     
  20. Sep 5, 2008 #19

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    Re: Obama to appear on Bill O'Reilly's "The Factor" this evening (FOX)

    I don't get your point. There is no doubt that given enough troops, the situation could be controlled. The question was whether or not this was the best or only option.

    How many insurgents or terrorists have simply gone into hiding?

    There is nothing vague about it. As long as we fight the Iraqi's war for them, they have no incentive to solve their own problems.


    He also made it clear that quelling the violence is not the same as solving the problem. He also made it clear that there have been other contributing factors, like the Sunni awakening - Iraqies taking resposiblity for their own problems.
     
  21. Sep 5, 2008 #20

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    Re: Obama to appear on Bill O'Reilly's "The Factor" this evening (FOX)

    Obama gave a great interview here. He gave a spot on answer to the Iran question but his Iraq answer was a little shaky IMO. He again attributes the success of the surge to the Anbar Awakening ("...the Surge has succeeded in ways no one anticipated, by the way including President Bush and the other supporters.") rather than the other way around... the Anbar Awakening succeeded because of the Surge. And he also got it wrong that the Surge's success wasn't planned or at least hoped for by the Administration.

    From http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2007/01/20070110-7.html" [Broken]
    Sure... the success of the Anbar Awakening is totaly unrelated to the surge... How can anyone make such a statement with a straight face?
     
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  22. Sep 5, 2008 #21
    Re: Obama to appear on Bill O'Reilly's "The Factor" this evening (FOX)

    I don't recall anyone ever saying "Sure the surge is going to reduce violence, allowing political stability and growth, and the formation of a coherent infrastructure, but ..."

    I recall people saying the surge was going to make all of these matters worse!

    *Put pressure on the Iraquis* IS vague and you have just clarified it, thank you.

    Obama plainly stated "succeeded beyond our wildest hopes" or something similar.

    If you want to argue aboutthe surge itself. I contend that the smaller initial successes of the surge allowed the creation of conditions that allowed for the success of a larger scale.

    For example, I don't believe the Sunni awakening would have happened if 1) the surge didn't happen and 2) didn't succeed like it has.
     
  23. Sep 5, 2008 #22

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    Re: Obama to appear on Bill O'Reilly's "The Factor" this evening (FOX)

    This is a chronology problem fostered by the McCain campaign. The awakening preceded the surge - not the other way around. Also al Sadr stood down his militia unilaterally. These two conditions would have reduced sectarian violence in Iraq regardless of how many extra American men and women were deployed. First off, the Iraqi Sunnis had a vested interest in reasserting control of the regions that they held, and rolling back al Qaeda - likewise, with a Shiite majority in the Iraq provisional government al Sadr had a vested interest in reducing violence, which he feels is critical to getting the US to agree to withdraw. Sectarian violence was also reduced by the simple fact that heavily Shiite regions had been cleansed of Sunnis, Sunni regions had been cleansed of Shiites, and both had been cleansed of Christians. It's hard to keep the sectarian violence at a high pitch after you have driven off almost all of your intended victims.

    McCain never brings up these messy little details, critical as they are to the discussion. Instead he states simply that "the surge worked" and "Obama was wrong". If he is doing this to win the election, there are enough uneducated voters in the electorate that will pull the lever for him based on these lies, to help make the Iraq war a positive force in his polling. If he truly believes this, we are in deep do-do - I don't want a president with such a myopic, simplistic, wrong-headed view of foreign affairs and such a poor understanding of the societal dynamics in a country that our military is occupying. As it stands, his handlers are keeping him sheltered regarding foreign affairs questions, because he has repeatedly confused Shiites and Sunnis, and conflated Iranian Shiites with al Qaeda and accused the Iranians of arming them, despite the fact that al Qaeda are radical Sunnis, and are being funded and armed by gulf nations and NOT Iran.
     
  24. Sep 5, 2008 #23
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    Not even close. It was a mere beginning. A beginning that would have ended abruptly if the surge had not occured.

    And note the time stamp on when that happened.

    And now Obama is saying the surge succeeded.
     
  25. Sep 5, 2008 #24

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    Re: Obama to appear on Bill O'Reilly's "The Factor" this evening (FOX)

    al Sadr stood down his militia in August of 2007. You can look it up.
    The Anbar Awakening began in the fall of 2006 - a year earlier.

    Attributing the decrease in violence to a troop surge (in which our troops are still vastly over-numbered by insurgent forces, militias, etc) is simplistic and wrong. The situation on the ground is far more complex than that. I hope McCain understands that. I fear that he does not. You will notice that when Obama is given more than sound-bite time, he praises the troops and their efforts, and then goes on to say that we have tried to give the Iraqi government time to organize themselves and make progress on regaining control of their internal affairs - which they have NOT done.

    He also says that increasing troop strength should have been directed toward Afghanistan and its border regions with Pakistan, where the real al Qaeda threat resides.
     
  26. Sep 5, 2008 #25

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    Re: Obama to appear on Bill O'Reilly's "The Factor" this evening (FOX)

    I thought the surge was what began the Sunni Awakening. And I was told that was a "matter of history".

    Proof?

    In achieving what?
     
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