News Obama's Speech: Dysfunctional Three Ring Circus

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The discussion revolves around frustrations with political dysfunction and the interruption of personal activities, specifically a cooking show, by political announcements. Participants express a desire for politicians to prioritize the country's interests over showboating and partisan conflicts. There is a consensus that the current political climate resembles a "dysfunctional circus," with a lack of cooperation among leaders, particularly criticizing the GOP for their inability to work towards meaningful solutions. The conversation touches on the perception that politicians are more concerned with their wealth and re-election than with the welfare of the nation. Many participants resort to humor and alcohol as coping mechanisms for their political frustrations, highlighting a sense of disillusionment with the effectiveness of political speeches and the ongoing financial issues facing the country. Overall, the thread reflects a deep dissatisfaction with the political landscape and a yearning for genuine progress and collaboration.
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Evo said:
You're so cute. :smile:

:redface::blushing:o:)
 
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  • #102
Evo said:
Apparently a study was done and it's true.
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/08/washington/08tax.html

Evo said:
I don't know how to search the CBO, there are a number of papers I found that reference the tax cuts.

Since multiple sources say that the CBO study found the largest cuts applied to the wealthy, I will risk assuming their isn't some conspiracy amongst the various news organizations.

Also, do not forget that the wealthy are never going to pay the tax rates on as much of their income as middle and low income people. (unless they're insane)

This was actually shown in an older thread about taxes. While the wealthy might pay a higher percent of tax, they pay it on a smaller percent of income. This reduces the actual percent of taxes they pay compared to middle and low income tax payers.
Here you are chasing some kind of rate percentage or individual cut inequality which is a red herring in discussions on balancing the budget. Tax revenue and budget crisis do not come about from an individual rate cut or increase, but rather the rate cut times the millions of tax payers who received it.

Senator Merkley is apparently sending out mail to constituents stating that the deficit is caused 'largely' by tax cuts going to the wealthiest
Merkley said:
...that our recent annual deficits are largely the result of massive tax cuts on the wealthiest among us
i.e. that the majority (at least) of the revenue from the Bush tax cuts went to the wealthy as a group, as opposed to everyone else as a group. That's grossly false. If the 'wealthy' today are those making $250,000 and up, then the total wealthy/not revenue split for the tax extension in 2010 is shown here:
CNN Money said:
...Following is a breakdown on some of the key measures and their costs, based on revenue estimates from the Joint Committee on Taxation, unless otherwise noted.

Bush tax cuts: $544.3 billion. The package would extend the Bush tax cuts for everyone for two years.

The bulk of that cost -- $463 billion -- is for the extension of cuts for families making less than $250,000, including two years of relief for 2010 and 2011 for the middle class from the Alternative Minimum Tax.

The rest -- $81.5 billion -- is attributable to the extension of cuts that apply to the highest income families.
The estimates for the split over ten years have similar ratios.

The consequence of such cynical output by Merkley is that it encourages the mistaken belief that the US deficit problem could be quickly resolved if taxes were raised on the 'wealthy'.
 
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mheslep said:
The consequence of such cynical output by Merkley is that it encourages the mistaken belief that the US deficit problem could be quickly resolved if taxes were raised on the 'wealthy'.
Sure wouldn't hurt would it? You aught to come to rural Kansas and see us rich folks.
 

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