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  1. Sep 14, 2012 #1

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    Obama Misspeaks on Egypt Relationship.... Or does he...?

    http://security.blogs.cnn.com/2012/09/13/what-to-call-egypts-relationship-with-the-u-s/?hpt=hp_t2

    But....
    A cynical person might say Obama was lying, since official US policy is his and he directly contradicted it. Considering the treatment Romney has been getting, I'd consider that fair turnabout. A charitable person might say he was coyly announcing a change in official position. Or that it really was just a simple misspeak (didn't actually mean what he said). I think, whether he meant to say it or not, it represents a truth: Egypt doesn't have our back, even if official policy is that we consider that they do.

    As can be seen from the CNN article, though, this one is being treated charitably by the media, a consideration not granted to Romney.
     
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    Re: Obama Misspeaks on Egypt Relationship.... Or does he...?

    The state department's statements I quoted/paraphrased that say Egypt is our ally. That last line is a paraphrase, but it is an explicit repudiation:

    Obama: "I don't think that we consider them an ally..."
    DOS paraphrase: State Department spokeswoman Victoria Nuland conceded the United States still referred to Egypt as a major non-NATO ally
     
  5. Sep 14, 2012 #4

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    I agree, he goofed. Sounds like he might have accidently let the rabbit out of the hat a bit there on what's going on behind the scenes? IMO. Right now the new Government of Egypt is still an "unknown".

    http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/obama-warns-egypt-ally-enemy-140958144--election.html
     
  6. Sep 14, 2012 #5

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    Pretty big goof, isn't it, to say someone isn't an ally when they are? Particularly considering the tension in the relationship.
    Perhaps.

    By the way, is a "goof" automatically assumed to be a lie? Should I change the title of the thread to be more accurate?
     
  7. Sep 14, 2012 #6

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    Re: Obama Misspeaks on Egypt Relationship.... Or does he...?

    Well, if he had said "Egypt is not an ally", yes, a lie.

    He said though ""I don't think that we consider them an ally", here on the forum, that would be an "IMO". :tongue:

    Either way I consider it a goof. If he said it as a veiled threat... I know it's been analyzed saying that it was ok, but that was just one analyst.
     
  8. Sep 14, 2012 #7

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    Re: Obama Misspeaks on Egypt Relationship.... Or does he...?

    The statements made by CNN seem to reflect a lack of understanding of the situation in Egypt. As anyone who has been following the revolution in Egypt knows, the situation in that country has changed fairly dramatically since April. In April 2012, Egypt was still under control by the Supreme Council of the Armed Forces (SCAF) which had been ruling since Mubarak stepped down. In June 2012, the second round of presidential elections occurred and Mohammed Morsi, the candidate from the Muslim Brotherhood, won. He was inaugurated on June 30.

    Given the rapidly changing and volatile nature of the situation in Egypt (the country still lacks a constitution, and it is still unclear who is in charge, Morsi or SCAF), one would suspect that US relations with Egypt remain similarly unsettled. While Obama's statements may not necessarily reflect official US policy (if such a policy exists), they certainly reflect reality. Statements made in April about Egypt when the country was under different leadership should not constrain Obama's current policy toward Morsi's Egypt.
     
  9. Sep 14, 2012 #8

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    Re: Obama Misspeaks on Egypt Relationship.... Or does he...?

    I agree. It's pretty tough to consider a country an ally when you're afraid any diplomats you send there will be killed.

    By the same token, a country doesn't have to be an ally in order for us to have relations with them or to even offer some support. Sometimes treating a country as an ally just sets unrealistic expectations.
     
  10. Sep 14, 2012 #9

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    Who are 'the media'? There are plenty of media outlets that are far more than charitable to Romney. I think it's time to stop pretending that Fox News is a pirate radio station.
     
  11. Sep 14, 2012 #10

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    I'd absolutely be in favor of that. Here on PF, though, it seems that Fox is considered the fringe. The mainstream is considered to be outlets like CNN, NBC, CBS.
     
  12. Sep 14, 2012 #11

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    Re: Obama Misspeaks on Egypt Relationship.... Or does he...?

    FOX is as mainstream as CNN, ABC, NBC, CBS. I can be skeptical and doubt the credibility of each and all.
     
  13. Sep 14, 2012 #12

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    If it comes from a television and there's commercials in between it, it's probably not as information-driven as entertainment-driven, as ratings are the bottom line.
     
  14. Sep 14, 2012 #13

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    Actually, I'd go the other way and include MSNBC along with Fox as out on the fringe. I guess one thing you can say for both is they don't falsely pretend to be neutral, so the viewer at least knows what they're getting.
     
  15. Sep 14, 2012 #14

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    I want to say CNN is more neutral, but only because of Anderson Cooper grilling Debbie.
     
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    None of the major American news outlets can be trusted. I watch Fox primarily to get a sense of what the enemy is planning, and to recognize how desperate they are. I get a lot of my news from Al Jazeera. They are very trustworthy except when it comes to Palestine and Israel.

    On topic: Obama didn't misspeak. I wouldn't consider Egypt an "ally", either before or after Mubarak was ousted. The Egyptians haven't entirely thrown off military rule yet. They're an unknown. What Obama said was an accurate assessment of our relations with the new government: not a friend, not a foe.
     
  17. Sep 14, 2012 #16

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    I'm very worried about the state of affairs in the middle east. There exists efforts to install democracies over there; however, there is also a very large push to install theocracies. In general, the middle east seems to be in conflict on which way to go. The literal fundamentalists want a very different kind of government then the secularist. Whoever wins that conflict will decide the fate of the middle east.


    I can't believe nobody mentioned NPR.
     
  18. Sep 14, 2012 #17

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    Erm, "Fair and Balanced" is the slogan of Fox News.
     
  19. Sep 14, 2012 #18
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    What, you didn't catch the wink wink, nudge nudge? Fox News is so blatantly partisan, no one really pretends they're fair and balanced. The only justifications I've seen on that end have involved comparing Fox to the rest of the "liberal media", thus Fox becomes something of a counterweight. Ridiculous if you ask me. Not even MSNBC is that partisan.
     
  20. Sep 15, 2012 #19

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    I think this article captures the changes in relationships that have occurred because of the "Arab Spring".

    As Arab countries become more democratic, their leaders will have to reflect the attitudes and goals of their people. It's unrealistic to expect the US to have a close relationship with a country's government when the people in that country have goals incompatible with US goals.

    I think the wave of protests sweeping Arab countries reflect that. It's just inconceivable that all of this is simply a response to the world's worst video, which also happens to be offensive. How could this movie possibly move more people than Helen of Troy?

    You watch this video and think that people have already died because of it; that, depending on what happens in the Middle East, this may be the most significant movie made in the history of mankind, and you immediately want to go have yourself drug tested. Reality has wandered down a very strange road over the last week.

    These protests reflect underlying bad feelings towards the US and the Western world in general - not this video.

    That's a problem that the US is going to have to solve, work around, or just accept regardless of who becomes President.

    It's also a problem for Israel. In a Middle East controlled by governments, and not by people, the Israel-Palestinian problem was easier to handle.

    The world changes. US relationships change as well.
     
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    Re: Obama Misspeaks on Egypt Relationship.... Or does he...?

    NPR
     
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