Observational data for evolution of Hubble rate

In summary, the conversation discusses the relationship between the Hubble constant and the acceleration of the universe. The concordance model of cosmology predicts that the Hubble constant will decrease over time in an intermediate regime of acceleration. Observational data, specifically from supernovae, supports this prediction and shows a clear decline in the Hubble expansion rate over time. This decline can be seen by converting the Hubble radius, which is measured by the distance growth rate, to a percentage expansion rate. The data also shows that the current Hubble rate is around 1/144 percent per million years. The source of these calculations is not explicitly stated in the conversation.
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Sudesh Kumar
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Is there any observational data available for evolution of Hubble rate? To give some context, read the dark energy FAQ by Sean Caroll here.

He says:

"If the universe is decelerating, the Hubble constant is decreasing. If the Hubble constant is increasing, the universe is accelerating. But there’s an intermediate regime in which the universe is accelerating but the Hubble constant is decreasing — and that’s exactly where we think we are."


My question is: is there any observational data to prove that Hubble rate is decreasing, or is he just stating that the concordance model of cosmology predicts it to decrease with time?

Looking at the Supernova data from Perlmutter et al, it seemed to me that the value of Hubble rate is actually increasing with time, but I may be wrong here!
 
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Well, yes. This is precisely what supernova observations are used for.

What is measured is the distance as a function of redshift, and distance can be computed as a particular integral over the Hubble expansion rate (technically, it's an integral over the inverse of the Hubble expansion). So each individual supernova gives you an estimate of the integral of the Hubble expansion rate from the time that supernova exploded to now. Add up the data from lots and lots of supernovae at different redshifts and you get an experimental estimate of how the Hubble expansion rate has changed over time.
 
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And it has clearly been decreasing over time, from the earliest time from which we can get data up to the present!

the H(t) is not a SPEED (badly chosen units give that misleading impression) it is, rather, a fractional growth rate of distances. It is conveniently expressed as percentage increase per million years. If you look at the history you can see the decline very clearly.

The current Hubble rate is measured at about 1/144 percent per million years. To check this get google to convert to more familiar units.
Plug this into google
(1/144) percent per million years in km/s per Mpc
you should get 67.9 km/s per Mpc, close to the most recent Planck mission report figure.

Or play around with google calculator and try, for example, 1/143 or 1/142 percent, it should give values slightly larger than 67.9

This table shows the decline. In year 67 million the Hubble expansion rate was 1% per million years.
In year 135 million it was 1/2 of one percent per million years
In year 271 million it was 1/4 of one percent per million years
In year 543 million it was 1/8 %
In year 1.085 billion it was 1/16 %
In year 2.159 billion it was 1/32 %
...
...
In year 13.787 billion (now) it is 1/144 %

you see how to read the table:

[tex]{\scriptsize\begin{array}{|r|r|r|r|r|r|r|r|r|r|r|r|r|r|r|r|} \hline T (Gy)&R (Gly) \\ \hline 0.067&0.1\\ \hline 0.135&0.2\\ \hline 0.271&0.4\\ \hline 0.543&0.8\\ \hline 1.085&1.6\\ \hline 2.159&3.2\\ \hline 4.243&6.1\\ \hline 8.009&10.4\\ \hline 13.787&14.4\\ \hline 20.917&16.4\\ \hline 28.613&17.1\\ \hline \end{array}}[/tex]

The table gives the Hubble RADIUS, which is the reciprocal of the distance growth RATE.
R = c/H
So the Hubble radius R grows in proportion as the percentage expansion rate H declines.
and our calculator happens to give the Hubble radius, so one mentally converts to get H.
 
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Thanks for your inputs. Can you please let me know how these values of Hubble rate over time were measured? It would be great if you can point me to the source of these calculations.
 
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I can say that there is indeed observational data available for the evolution of the Hubble rate. The Hubble rate, also known as the Hubble constant, is a measure of the expansion rate of the universe. It is a fundamental parameter in cosmology and has been studied extensively through various observational methods.

One of the key pieces of evidence for the evolution of the Hubble rate is the observation of Type Ia supernovae. These are a specific type of supernova that have a consistent intrinsic brightness, making them useful as standard candles for measuring distances. Observations of these supernovae at different distances have shown that the expansion of the universe is not constant, but rather accelerating. This is consistent with the idea of dark energy, which is currently the leading explanation for the acceleration of the universe.

Additionally, other observational data such as the cosmic microwave background radiation and the large-scale structure of the universe also support the idea of an accelerating universe and a decreasing Hubble rate.

It is important to note that while the observational data supports the idea of a decreasing Hubble rate, there is still some uncertainty in its exact value. This is due to various factors such as the limitations of our observational techniques and the effects of other cosmological parameters. However, the overall trend of a decreasing Hubble rate is well-supported by the available data.

In regards to the statement by Sean Caroll, he is not just stating that the concordance model of cosmology predicts a decreasing Hubble rate. The observational data, as mentioned above, also supports this idea. The intermediate regime he refers to is the transition period between a decelerating and accelerating universe, which is where we are currently believed to be.

In conclusion, there is ample observational data available to support the evolution of the Hubble rate and its current state of decrease. While there may be some uncertainties in its exact value, the overall trend is well-supported by multiple lines of evidence.
 

1. What is observational data for the evolution of Hubble rate?

Observational data for the evolution of Hubble rate refers to the measurements and observations made by scientists to track the changes in the expansion rate of the universe over time. This data is crucial for understanding the evolution of the universe and can provide insights into the nature of dark energy and the fate of the universe.

2. How is the Hubble rate measured?

The Hubble rate is measured through a variety of techniques, including using the redshift of galaxies, the cosmic microwave background radiation, and the brightness of distant supernovae. These measurements are then used to calculate the rate at which the universe is expanding.

3. What does the observational data reveal about the evolution of the Hubble rate?

The observational data for the evolution of the Hubble rate shows that the expansion of the universe is accelerating. This means that the rate of expansion is increasing over time, indicating the presence of a mysterious force known as dark energy.

4. How does the Hubble rate support the theory of evolution?

The Hubble rate is an important piece of evidence that supports the theory of evolution. The increasing rate of expansion of the universe is consistent with the idea that the universe has been evolving and changing over time, just as living organisms have.

5. What are the implications of the Hubble rate for the future of the universe?

The Hubble rate has significant implications for the future of the universe. The accelerating expansion suggests that the universe will continue to expand at an increasing rate, and eventually, the galaxies and other structures will become too far apart to interact, resulting in a lonely and cold "heat death" of the universe.

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