Observing which-way for fullerene molecules (buckyball)

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The discussion revolves around the quantum mechanical behavior of fullerene molecules (buckyballs) in the context of the double-slit experiment, specifically focusing on the possibility of determining which slit a buckyball passes through without disturbing the interference pattern. Participants explore the implications of quantum mechanics on this phenomenon, including the nature of interference and which-way information.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that buckyballs consist of 20-60 atoms and questions whether it is possible to determine which slit the molecule went through without affecting the interference pattern, suggesting a fundamental property of quantum mechanics may prevent this.
  • Another participant agrees that it is impossible to have both which-way information and an interference pattern simultaneously, citing consistency with experimental results and various interpretations of the phenomenon.
  • A different viewpoint suggests that the visibility of the interference pattern may depend on the intensity of light used to detect which-path information, proposing that more photons would be needed to infer which-path information, which relates to quantum mechanical principles of dephasing and fringe visibility.
  • One participant mentions "weak" detection schemes that allow for partial which-path information (e.g., 70% certainty) while still observing a blurred interference pattern, indicating that increasing certainty about the path leads to decoherence of the pattern.
  • Another participant acknowledges the existence of weak detection schemes and expresses surprise that similar experiments have been conducted with buckyballs, reinforcing the idea that buckyballs exhibit quantum effects.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the fundamental principle that which-way information and interference patterns cannot coexist with 100% accuracy. However, there are competing views regarding the specifics of how which-way information affects the interference pattern and the implications of weak detection schemes.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference various experimental results and interpretations without resolving the underlying complexities of quantum mechanics or the specific conditions under which these phenomena occur.

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the buckyball has between 20-60 atoms.

This is a fairly large size. even if we "bounce" a photon or two off it, the molecule should not be effected.

Thus can we use some method to find out which slit the molecule went through, without disturbing the interference pattern?

or is it that, even if the photon were to not disturb the buckyball, we still would loose the interference pattern...because it's not about photon disturbing the molecule but about the fact that you simply cannot have which-way and interference pattern (at the same time) ...as a fundamental property of quantum mechanics?
 
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San K said:
... you simply cannot have which-way and interference pattern (at the same time) ...as a fundamental property of quantum mechanics?

That is consistent with all of the experimental results. There are many different interpretations of *how* that phenomenon comes about.

Even more interesting, there are some "weak" detection schemes, where you do not get concrete information about which path was taken, but you can measure with say 70% certainty that it went through the left slit, rather than the right one. The amazing thing about this case is that the intereference pattern, while still visible, begins to decohere .. that is, the borders between the light and dark fringes get blurrier and blurrier as you increase the confidence of one of the paths. I think Dr. Chinese's website has links to and/or descriptions of the papers that demonstrate such "weak" detection.
 
I suspect that what would find if tried this experiment, is that the visibility of the interference pattern will scale with the intensity of the light. The reason is that you would (in any setup I can think of) need to detect quite a few photons to actually be able to infer "which-path" information.
There are some quite fundamental relations in QM which relate the amount of information you can (potentially) get out of a system (per unit time) with the rate of dephasing (T2, which in turn is related to fringe visibility). Perfect information gives instant dephasing (not that this can happen).

Note that there are experiments quite similar to what you are proposing. Most notably experiments with ion-traps where the visibility of superpositions scales with the intensity of the probe laser as outlined above.

Edit: Spectracat was faster...
 
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That is consistent with all of the experimental results. There are many different interpretations of *how* that phenomenon comes about.

Even more interesting, there are some "weak" detection schemes, where you do not get concrete information about which path was taken, but you can measure with say 70% certainty that it went through the left slit, rather than the right one. The amazing thing about this case is that the intereference pattern, while still visible, begins to decohere .. that is, the borders between the light and dark fringes get blurrier and blurrier as you increase the confidence of one of the paths. I think Dr. Chinese's website has links to and/or descriptions of the papers that demonstrate such "weak" detection.

thanks SpectraCat, thanks f95toli... yes, I am aware of the above concept and agree, thanks to Dr Chinese.

however i was not aware that this has been tried on buckyballs as well.

however this also proves a very fundamental point:

Buckyballs (and not just our photons, electrons) are indeed experiencing quantum effects...

because...you cannot have both with 100% accuracy (probability would be a better word)

both = fringes and which-way = they are complimentary
 
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