Obtaining One Fourier Series from Another

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The discussion revolves around finding Fourier series for specific functions, particularly f(x) = x and g(x) = x², within the context of Fourier analysis. The participants explore how to derive the Fourier series for g(x) based on the series for f(x) and the implications of Parseval's identity.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the method of integrating the Fourier series of f(x) to obtain the series for g(x). There is uncertainty about whether to integrate from 0 to x and how to correctly include the constant term a₀ in the resulting series for x².

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided guidance on integrating both sides of the equation, while others express confusion about the inclusion of the constant term and the application of Parseval's identity. The discussion reflects a mix of interpretations and attempts to clarify the steps involved.

Contextual Notes

There are indications of confusion regarding the application of Parseval's identity and the treatment of the constant term in the Fourier series. Participants are also navigating the implications of the 'hence' part of the problem statement, which adds complexity to their reasoning.

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Homework Statement


(a) On (-π,π), find the Fourier series of f(x) = x.
(b) Hence, or otherwise, find the Fourier series of g(x) = x2
(c) Hence, show that [tex]\sum_{n=1}^{\infty} \frac{1}{n^4} = \frac{\pi^4}{90}[/tex]

Homework Equations


[tex]f(x) = \frac{a_0}{2} + \sum_{n=1}^{\infty} \left( a_n \cos \frac{n \pi x}{L} + b_n \sin \frac{n \pi x}{L} \right)[/tex]

where

[tex]a_0 = \frac{1}{L} \int_{-L}^{L} f(x) dx[/tex]

[tex]a_n = \frac{1}{L} \int_{-L}^{L} f(x) \cos \left( \frac{n \pi x}{L} \right) dx[/tex]

[tex]b_n = \frac{1}{L} \int_{-L}^{L} f(x) \sin \left( \frac{n \pi x}{L} \right) dx[/tex]

The Attempt at a Solution


I found (a) as

[tex]x = \sum_{n=1}^{\infty} \frac{2}{n} (-1)^{n+1} \sin(nx)[/tex]

but for (b), how do I obtain the Fourier series for x2, without starting from scratch? I can derive that Fourier series fine and I use Parseval's identity for the last part and the result follows -- but I'm just puzzled about the 'hence' part of question (b). Are you supposed to integrate both sides from 0 to x? Doing that doesn't seem to give me the Fourier series for x2...
 
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FeDeX_LaTeX said:
Are you supposed to integrate both sides from 0 to x?

Yes.
 
micromass said:
Yes.

But when I do that, I get:

[tex]x^2 = \sum_{n=1}^{\infty} \frac{4}{n^2}(-1)^{n} (\cos(nx) - 1)[/tex]

and it has also not included the first term, a0. What am I doing wrong?

The actual result is supposed to be:

[tex]x^2 = \frac{\pi^2}{3} + \sum_{n=1}^{\infty} \frac{4}{n^2}(-1)^{n}(\cos(nx))[/tex]
 
FeDeX_LaTeX said:
But when I do that, I get:

[tex]x^2 = \sum_{n=1}^{\infty} \frac{4}{n^2}(-1)^{n} (\cos(nx) - 1)[/tex]

and it has also not included the first term, a0. What am I doing wrong?

The actual result is supposed to be:

[tex]x^2 = \frac{\pi^2}{3} + \sum_{n=1}^{\infty} \frac{4}{n^2}(-1)^{n}(\cos(nx))[/tex]

[tex]\sum_{n=1}^{+\infty} \frac{4}{n^2} (-1)^n (\cos(nx) - 1) = - \sum_{n=1}^{+\infty} \frac{4(-1)^n}{n^2} + \sum_{n=1}^{+\infty} \frac{4}{n^2} (-1)^n\cos(nx)[/tex]

So there's your ##a_0##.
 
micromass said:
[tex]\sum_{n=1}^{+\infty} \frac{4}{n^2} (-1)^n (\cos(nx) - 1) = - \sum_{n=1}^{+\infty} \frac{4(-1)^n}{n^2} + \sum_{n=1}^{+\infty} \frac{4}{n^2} (-1)^n\cos(nx)[/tex]

So there's your ##a_0##.

Oh, I see... but is that term ##a_0## or ##a_0 / 2##?
 
FeDeX_LaTeX said:
Oh, I see... but is that term ##a_0## or ##a_0 / 2##?

It's ##a_0/2##.
 
micromass said:
It's ##a_0/2##.

OK, but then with Parseval's identity I don't seem to be able to get the result... what am I doing wrong below:

[tex]\int_{-\pi}^{\pi} x^4 dx = \pi \sum_{n=1}^{\infty} \frac{32}{n^4} + \pi \sum_{n=1}^{\infty} \frac{16}{n^4} = \pi \sum_{n=1}^{\infty} \frac{48}{n^4}[/tex]

which leads to

[tex]\sum_{n=1}^{\infty} \frac{1}{n^4} = \frac{\pi^4}{120}[/tex]

?
 
Please don't tell me you just did

[tex]\left(\sum x_n\right)^2 = \sum x^2_n[/tex]

Cause it looks like you did.
 
Oops... applied Parseval's identity in the wrong sense there.
 

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