Odd constraint problem: Reflected and Transmitted Power of String

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The problem involves analyzing the reflected and transmitted power of a string under specific constraints, particularly at the point where dy/dx = 0. The context is rooted in wave mechanics and the behavior of waves on strings, with a focus on continuity conditions and impedance.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the continuity of the string's deflection and its gradient, questioning the implications of the equations derived from the general solutions. There is exploration of the conditions under which reflected and transmitted powers can be determined, with some suggesting the need for incoming waves from both directions.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants raising questions about the validity of the assumptions made and the implications of the constraints. Some participants suggest that the problem may not make sense under the given conditions, while others are considering the role of standing waves and the potential for zero reflected and transmitted power.

Contextual Notes

There is mention of a requirement to use a complex exponential form for the wave equation, which may influence the interpretation of the problem. The original poster indicates a need for further clarification from a supervisor regarding the assumptions and expected outcomes.

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Homework Statement


Given that a string is constrained such that dy/dx = 0 at x = 0 and unconstrained otherwise, what is the reflected and transmitted power?
y is the deflection of the string from the x-axis. y_1 is incident wave, y_r is reflected and y_t is transmitted.

Homework Equations



Reflected power, transmitted power have already been derived in terms of impedances.
Impedance Z = \frac{Driving Force}{string element velocity}
Continuity of y and dy/dx.

The Attempt at a Solution


Knowing that y and dy/dx are continuous, I wrote \frac{\partial y_1}{\partial x} +\frac{\partial y_r}{\partial x} = \frac{\partial y_t}{\partial x} =0 at x = 0.

Substituting in the general solution y_1 = e^{-ikx+iwt}, y_r = re^{+ikx+iwt}, y_t = te^{-ikx+iwt};

I got 1 + r = t and 1 - r = t = 0 at x = 0.

The latter suggests all reflection, no transmission, which isn't correct because it doesn't satisfy the first equation.
 
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It does not satisfy which equation precisely ?
 
BvU said:
It does not satisfy which equation precisely ?

The given constraint (and continuity of gradient) means that -ik(1-r) = -ik(t) = 0.
Continuity of string means that 1 + r = t.

If t = 0, then 1-r = 0 so r = 1. But then 1 + r = 2 =/= t = 0.
 
Yes, so there must be something wrong at a more elementary level: even if you only impose continuity of y and dy/dx on these "general solutions" you end up with r = 0 ! This way you have three equations with only t and r as unknowns. Are you sure the y are general enough ?
 
BvU said:
Yes, so there must be something wrong at a more elementary level: even if you only impose continuity of y and dy/dx on these "general solutions" you end up with r = 0 ! This way you have three equations with only t and r as unknowns. Are you sure the y are general enough ?

I know the string satisfies a wave equation. Evanescent waves would be my next guess, but beyond that I'm stuck.
 
The solution for that problem requires incoming waves from both directions at the same time. (producing a standing wave with an anti-node at the origin)
 
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dauto said:
The solution for that problem requires incoming waves from both directions at the same time. (producing a standing wave with an anti-node at the origin)

There'd be no reflected and transmitted power then, would there? Since the wave is standing?
 
N00813 said:
There'd be no reflected and transmitted power then, would there? Since the wave is standing?

Good point. I'm not sure what to make of that. The question doesn't seem to make much sense since there is incoming energy from both ends.
 
dauto said:
Good point. I'm not sure what to make of that. The question doesn't seem to make much sense since there is incoming energy from both ends.

Earlier in the question, it did say to use a complex exponential for y (=A exp(ikx-iwt)) to prove that time-averaged power = 1/2 Zw^2 A^2. I assumed that carried forwards.

I suppose I'll have to ask my supervisor for this, then. Perhaps the answer really is zero.
 

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