ODE/Kinetic Theory problem: Particles leaking in boxes

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The problem involves two boxes of gas sharing a common wall with a hole, where particles leak between the boxes over time. The context is rooted in kinetic theory and differential equations, focusing on the dynamics of particle movement and pressure changes in the boxes.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss the derivation of differential equations for the number of particles in each box over time. There are attempts to express the rates of change of particles leaking between the boxes, with some participants questioning the assumptions made regarding particle movement and the definitions used in the equations.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing feedback on each other's attempts. Some guidance has been offered regarding the need to consider the bidirectional movement of particles and the implications of the derived equations. There is an exploration of the relationships between the variables involved, but no consensus has been reached on the correctness of the initial approaches.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that certain terms in the equations are not clearly defined, and there is uncertainty about the implications of the derived solutions, particularly regarding the behavior of the system under specific initial conditions.

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Homework Statement


Two boxes of volume V sharing a common wall with a hole of ΔA. Both boxes have gas at T. At t =0s there are N1(0) at one box at time t and N2(0) particles in the other box.The particles from box 1 leak into box 2 through the hole and vice versa.
a. obtain two differential equations, one for N1(t) and one for N2(t).
b. Solve them for N1(t) and N2(t). Particles are not created or destroyed : N1(t) + N2(t) = N1(0) + N2(0)
c. Find pressure of box 1 as function of time and show that it goes to the average value as t goes to infinity.

Homework Equations


P = 2N/3V * 1/2 <mv^2>

The Attempt at a Solution



Φ = nu/4
Flux * Area = Rate
Rate = Anu/4
-dN1/dt = ANu/V4
N1(t) = N1(0)exp(-ΔAut/4V) (negative since rate out)
and N2(t)=N2(0)exp(ΔAut/4V) (positive since I chose rate in for here)
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Lagraaaange said:

Homework Statement


Two boxes of volume V sharing a common wall with a hole of ΔA. Both boxes have gas at T. At t =0s there are N1(0) at one box at time t and N2(0) particles in the other box.The particles from box 1 leak into box 2 through the hole and vice versa.
a. obtain two differential equations, one for N1(t) and one for N2(t).
b. Solve them for N1(t) and N2(t). Particles are not created or destroyed : N1(t) + N2(t) = N1(0) + N2(0)
c. Find pressure of box 1 as function of time and show that it goes to the average value as t goes to infinity.

Homework Equations


P = 2N/3V * 1/2 <mv^2>

The Attempt at a Solution



Φ = nu/4
Flux * Area = Rate
Rate = Anu/4
-dN1/dt = ANu/V4
N1(t) = N1(0)exp(-ΔAut/4V) (negative since rate out)
and N2(t)=N2(0)exp(ΔAut/4V) (positive since I chose rate in for here)[/B]

Your 'relevant equation' has some bearing on then subject but not used here so not really relevant.
You haven't taken into account that they are moving both ways.
Relation of N1 and N2 (and their time derivatives) simple - and not what you have in conclusions.
Second part of c not answered.
 
epenguin said:
Your 'relevant equation' has some bearing on then subject but not used here so not really relevant.
You haven't taken into account that they are moving both ways.
Relation of N1 and N2 (and their time derivatives) simple - and not what you have in conclusions.
Second part of c not answered.
So is my part A ok? I don't know where to proceed.
 
Lagraaaange said:
So is my part A ok?

I don't think so. The first three contain terms not defined, I don't know what u is in particular, nor why it all has to be divided by 4. Clearly ΔA plays a role.

You should have an eye for whether your equations predict anything reasonable even without solving them. For example yours predict that if there are no particles intially (N1(0) = 0 in box 1, it stays empty for ever, dN1/dt = 0. Your solution predicts that if there are any in 2 their number will increase exponentially without limit.
You have as I said to consider particles are going both ways.
 
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