Oil and Water Separation: Fluid Flow and Vessel Sizing Analysis

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around a homework problem related to the separation of oil and water in a vertical separator vessel. Participants explore the assumptions regarding temperature consistency between inlet and outlet streams, as well as the calculations needed for determining molar flow rates and the total number of moles of oil and water in the system.

Discussion Character

  • Homework-related
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question whether the temperature of the inlet stream will remain the same as the outlet streams, suggesting that no thermodynamic processes will occur during separation.
  • There is a discussion about the feasibility of calculating the total number of moles of oil and water, with some participants asserting that it is indeed possible to find these values.
  • Participants agree that the number of moles can be calculated by multiplying the molar flow rate by the residence time in the separator.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the ability to calculate the number of moles of oil and water, as well as the assumption regarding temperature consistency. However, the initial question about the calculation of total moles reflects some uncertainty.

Contextual Notes

Assumptions regarding thermodynamic processes and the definitions of flow rates may influence the calculations discussed. The discussion does not resolve whether the initial assumptions are universally applicable.

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Homework Statement


A fluid which is flowing at 3600 m3/hr, at a pressure of 2.3MPa and a temperature of 75°C is to be separated using a vertical separator vessel. The composition of the fluid is 50% water and 50% oil.

1. Assume perfect separation and a residence time of 20 seconds in the separator.
2. The oil has a MW of 100 and a density of 900kg/m3
3. Give estimates for line sizes and vessel dimensions
Your answer is to be a simple PFD (with stream table):
Pressure
Temperature
kmoles oil
kmoles water
Total moles
Mass flow water
Mass flow oil
Total mass flow
Mean molecular weight

Homework Equations


Conversions between mass, molar and volumetric flow rates.

The Attempt at a Solution


In the above problem, is it correct to assume that the temperature of the inlet stream will be the same as the two outlet streams seeing as there won't be any thermodynamic processes carried out on the mixture? Also, from the way I see it, it's only possible to calculate the molar flow rate of oil and water, it's not possible to calculate how many moles of oil and how many moles of water there are in total. Is this correct or is it actually possible to find these values?
 
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SherlockOhms said:

Homework Statement



In the above problem, is it correct to assume that the temperature of the inlet stream will be the same as the two outlet streams seeing as there won't be any thermodynamic processes carried out on the mixture?
Yes.
Also, from the way I see it, it's only possible to calculate the molar flow rate of oil and water, it's not possible to calculate how many moles of oil and how many moles of water there are in total. Is this correct or is it actually possible to find these values?
It's possible to calculate the number of moles of each within the separator. I think that is what they are asking for.
 
Chestermiller said:
Yes.

It's possible to calculate the number of moles of each within the separator. I think that is what they are asking for.

That'll just be the molar flow rate times the residence time, yes?
 
SherlockOhms said:
That'll just be the molar flow rate times the residence time, yes?
Yes.
 

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