Old plumber wisdom, is he right or not?

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The discussion centers on the claim made by an old plumber that 1/2'' piping provides higher pressure than 3/4'' piping. Participants clarify that while the plumber's perception may stem from the higher exit speed of water in a smaller pipe, this does not equate to higher static pressure. The pressure drop in smaller diameter pipes is greater for the same flow rate, leading to the conclusion that under normal conditions, 3/4'' piping will yield higher exit pressure when water is flowing. The conversation highlights the importance of distinguishing between static and dynamic pressure in plumbing systems.

PREREQUISITES
  • Understanding of fluid dynamics principles, particularly pressure and flow relationships.
  • Familiarity with plumbing systems and pipe sizing conventions.
  • Knowledge of pressure drop calculations in piping systems.
  • Experience with measuring static and dynamic pressure in fluid systems.
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  • Research "Bernoulli's principle" to understand the relationship between fluid speed and pressure.
  • Study "Moody diagram" for calculating pressure loss in pipes of various diameters.
  • Explore "Cameron Hydraulic Data" for detailed pressure-flow graphs of different pipe sizes.
  • Learn about "residual pressure testing" methods used in plumbing to evaluate system performance.
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This discussion is beneficial for plumbing engineers, fluid dynamics students, and professionals involved in plumbing design and installation who seek to understand the nuances of pressure in piping systems.

  • #31
Let us not forget the plumber's claim is about pressure, not flow rate. Pressure at the point where his piping ends and devices begin. We still care about flow so we might as well ignore him, even if when he is right.
 
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  • #32
The problem here, as in so many, many cases, is not in the pursuit of the answer but the question.
The OP said, the old plumber said ‘this size [1/2”] would give a HIGHER pressure compared to the 3/4'' option’.

Of course, there is almost no information to work with here and moreover the old plumber’s statement is an
informal logical fallacy
(wrong but not absolutely, self evidently wrong).

However, it is pretty darn close to being a formal logical fallacy and it might help to explain this to your plumber :smile:

Then again...
 
  • #33
Bee Tree said:
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Many plumbers have trouble with the meanings of pressure and flow. To be an old plumber now, he may well have gone into plumbing because he wasn't getting good grades... and never understood quite a lot of things, very well.
[. . .]
I had to chuckle. :smile: My husband is a Union plumber and pipe fitter. He knows his stuff. He is now retired but still fixes every thing at our home and helps his friends too.:wink:
 
  • #34
Mary Conrads Sanburn said:
My husband is a Union plumber and pipe fitter.
How do you tell a plumber from a physicist?

Ask them to say "unionized".
 
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